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Posted 12/12/2013   6:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add stampcrow to your friends list Get a Link to this Message





Not sure if this scan show's it but this grill is goofy.
Either someone tried to forge a grill.
Or something was on the stamp when the grill was applied.

Any thoughts?
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Posted 12/12/2013   7:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add quigngt to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It looks as if it is divided into four parts but that's just a guess. The photo is too small to see it clearly.
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Posted 12/13/2013   6:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I guess my question is then, has anyone seen or read about grill skips or gaps in a grill?
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Posted 12/13/2013   8:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
stampcrow.....what you need to do is....
Take a #2 pencil.....
spread some lead on paper....brush finger over lead.....
gently transfer finger (with lead) to grill.
The grill will show better....
This grill is hard to see.
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Edited by kevin504 - 12/22/2013 10:28 pm
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Posted 12/13/2013   9:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I will do that and re-scan it. Thanks
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Posted 12/14/2013   09:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Newby Stamper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are different different types of grills that include split and quads but not for sure if any were used on this era of stamp. I'm sure someone with a lot more knowledge than I will tell you what you have as there are many here that are knowledgeable. Got to love this place!
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Posted 12/14/2013   10:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Newby Stamper....
Looking at the photo....(hard to see)...it appears that the grill is divided in quarters.
NOT NORMAL....but...
A SPLIT GRILL....is a grill which has moved from the center of the stamp and is divided
between the top/bottom or left/right.
A QUAD GRILL....is a grill that shows a portion in each of the 4 (quad)corners.
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Posted 12/14/2013   5:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kevin, That is how I understood "split" and "quad" grills to be. This is more like something blocked the "teeth" of the grill from making an impression.
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Posted 12/14/2013   6:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is not uncommon for a grill to be incompletely impressed. The most probable cause of the problem was the entrapment of air between the grill bed and the paper due to a slight "bubbling" of the paper. That is not a precise term for the phenomenon, but I hope it gets the idea across. Paper would do goofy things under the grill roller, particularly when more than one or two sheets were involved at one time. In this case the grill roller might cause a slight ripple in the paper which would resolve without creasing, but leave an incomplete impression. The problem was much worse in the early 1870s, but it is not at all rare in the earlier period. Things got so bad that pairs are known in which one stamp is grilled and the other is not.

Grilling just wasn't that precise, which is one of the reasons it died out.
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Posted 12/15/2013   10:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks. Hadn't considered "un-flat" sheet during grilling. Makes sense.
I wonder does this affect the value of the stamp? Would this be counted as a fault?
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Posted 12/22/2013   10:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Newby Stamper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Kevin504 for the grilling. So how does a end roller grill look like on a stamp? Is it the grill or the position on the stamp ends( top, bottom or side)
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Posted 12/22/2013   11:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 12/22/2013   12:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kevin504, is that something that can be/should be certified?
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Posted 12/22/2013   1:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
stampcrow....
stampcrow.....what you need to do is....
Take a #2 pencil.....
spread some lead on paper....brush finger over lead.....
gently transfer finger (with lead) to grill.
The grill will show better....
This grill is hard to see.

Then post photo with stamp on BLACK background.
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Edited by kevin504 - 12/22/2013 10:28 pm
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Posted 12/22/2013   1:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
opps sorry Kevin, I meant the stamp you linked to on ebay. Is that something that should be expertised?
I will do the pencil lead rub and try a scan of my stamp. Thanks.
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Posted 12/22/2013   2:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
YES...end roller grill.
I would love to see the grill on the 12c you posted with the lead test.
Will not harm it....
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