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Posted 12/22/2013   2:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I will, yes. I'm not home at this time. Will try to post it later tonight.
Thanks again
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Posted 12/22/2013   9:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bill Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"So how does a end roller grill look like on a stamp? Is it the grill or the position on the stamp ends( top, bottom or side)";

End roller grill (or "continuous margin grill") is illustrated in the Scott Specialized Catalog on page 30A.

Quite often the answer to basic questions can be found right at your fingertips, if you look, although I do understand it's probably easier to ask others. But the BEST way to learn is to locate the answers yourself. It makes a lasting impression in your mind - at least that's how I've always found it to be.
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Posted 12/22/2013   9:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Newby Stamper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again Kevin504. Also Mr. Weiss.
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Posted 12/22/2013   9:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK, the funky grill leaded.






Looks like a "fault" not an "error".
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Edited by stampcrow - 12/22/2013 10:01 pm
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Posted 12/22/2013   10:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
stampcrow...
not sure what to make of it....
grills are hard to photograph...the lead makes them show better.
Hard to exactly say without physically seeing...
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Posted 12/23/2013   10:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bill Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sometimes a grill can have some "skipped" points which can be caused by a paperfold. In my opinion, the grill you show is fake. The points do not line up, but roam around pretty badly, something not possible with a genuine grill.

There was/is a dealer in Ohio who was/is selling lots of fake grills. He bought a lot of his raw material right on ebay, ungrilled stamps, added fake grills, and made a lot of money by selling them on ebay and other venues. We had him suspended several times, but a lot of fake stuff was bought by novice or uneducated buyers who never bothered to have an expert look at them until it was too late, if at all. So now they are showing up in the secondary market as some collectors sell off their stamps.

It is VERY important for collectors to submit stamps to experts when they are spending hard-earned money for their stamps if they are not proficient themselves in being able to identify altered or faulty stamps. To do otherwise is like throwing money down the drain. And any cost for expertizing will be more than covered at sale time, as buyers will have full confidence in the description when it is accompanied by a certificate from one of the recognized Expert services.

In this country, those are;
1. Philatelic Foundation;
2. APEX (American Philatelic Society);
3. PSE (Professional Stamp Experts);
4. PSAG (Professonal Stamp Authentication & Grading;
5. Weiss Expert Service.

All of them can be located online at their websites, easily found by doing Google search of any of their names. All also have submission forms, costs, etc online.
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Posted 12/23/2013   1:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for replies.
Bill, I suspected this grill was bogus. Faulty at best lol. While it's in my collection I will mark it as forged. No plans to sell anything. But someday when.....at least it will be marked, to caution the next collecter.
Thanks all!
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Posted 12/24/2013   10:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dale Kramer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is my split grill.



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Posted 12/24/2013   1:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
He is a grill shown with the LEAD TEST....



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Posted 12/24/2013   2:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think I've got the lead thing down OK. I need to work on getting better pics on here.

I would have a hard time getting myself to rub lead on a mint stamp though....
Thanks to everyone for responding to this thread.
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Posted 12/28/2013   4:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If the test is done badly it MAY do some harm in the form of a pencil smudge on the back of the stamp. To do it well requires an uncommon light touch. I would practice the technique on some cheap or damaged stamps first before tackling a nice one.

A word to the wise.
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