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Posted 10/17/2014   2:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Bill Weiss to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here is an item I examined yesterday. At first glance it may not appear to be anything substantial and the left two stamps are faulty (the center copy has a very heavy vertical crease). But this happens to be a great item. Who (Winston Sinclair is not allowed to respond!) can tell us why this is so special?

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Posted 10/17/2014   2:42 pm  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The two right stamps are type Ib, scott 5A

I stand corrected. The far right stamp is Type 1 (scott 5) and possibly a 7R1E double transfer?

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Edited by Rileysan - 10/17/2014 2:47 pm
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Posted 10/17/2014   2:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From the guide dots and the complete top designs, could they be 5-6-7R1E?
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Posted 10/17/2014   2:56 pm  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The far left stamp looks like a type III.

Ugh - I don't know the plates very well so I don't know if this combo is possible. I see: 8, 5, 5 (double transfer)

Not an 8. I need to quit before I embarrass myself!

Brian
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Edited by Rileysan - 10/17/2014 2:57 pm
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Posted 10/17/2014   3:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add matttodd1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm also thinking its a strip of 5-6-7R1E. If only the left two are faulty, it would seem the right stamp, (scott 5) is sound? That's an awesome strip!

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Posted 10/17/2014   4:01 pm  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I just spent the last hour looking through Neinken's 1c book (digitized by the USPCS) and agree - these are 5-6-7R1E. Is this strip documented anywhere or is it a new find?
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Edited by Rileysan - 10/17/2014 4:02 pm
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Posted 10/17/2014   5:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely 5-6-7R1E. Does not appear in Wagshal's 2001 census. The method of cancellation looks very much like that employed on a strip on cover from Benton, TN, shown in Wagshal 2001 as 084-COV.
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Posted 10/17/2014   5:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
...other indicators:
Position 5 - the double transfer showing as extra lines under the "NE CEN"
Position 7 - the double transfer showing in the shading on the right side of the portrait (into the white frame space) and the "O" in Postage at the top.
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Posted 10/17/2014   8:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bill Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Several of you are correct. This is Position 5-6-7R1E, which is Scott Type 1b,1b and 1 (5A,5A,5) which I believe is the rarest combo strip possible. Current Scott value is $200,000. It is the most valuable item by Scott value I have ever expertized (although I handled the unique #164 several times, I did not have anything to do with expertizing it!). This strip is, as far as I know, new to the market. I have no idea where it has been in the past.
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Posted 10/17/2014   8:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The history of this strip would be fascinating to know, Bill. The knowledge that there are discoveries like this still to be made gives me a vicarious thrill, I must admit.
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Posted 10/17/2014   8:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bill Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think it proves, as you said, that there are still discoveries to be made. The submitter only said "this may need to be plated", so I think he suspected it is a decent item, but I do not think he had any idea that he had a sound #5!
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Posted 10/17/2014   10:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If plating was requested I have a feeling that the owner might have had an inkling of what they had. After all it is the holy grail to the 1 cent specialists.
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Posted 10/17/2014   11:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I appreciate that it is very rare, but that is one ugly strip. Seriously defective with a really ugly cancel. All the value is in the sound 5, so it might bring $35,000. Still a great find, but..............
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Posted 10/18/2014   12:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bill Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think there are very many sound #5s out of those that are recorded and virtually all of the value is in that stamp. But I absolutely agree with you. The general overall appearance is poor. Still, I think the owner is going to be thrilled.....
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Posted 10/18/2014   10:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yea, the beauty in this one is the rarity! If I'm mounting say, $10.00 items in a book, ugly doesn't make the cut. The one above would have it's own special place!
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Posted 10/18/2014   11:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, but rarity does not equal beauty, at least to me.
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