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1000+ Pre 1940 Envelopes Dating Back To 1880

 
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Posted 11/01/2014   03:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add mintSheet to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello all,

I am guessing there are 1000+ envelopes from 1880-1940 within my family's archives. These envelopes were saved because my parents and their parents, and their parents saved EVERYTHING. More history/info below pix.

The picture below is the exception, not the norm; upon cursory review, I've seen at least 50-75 different stamps; most canceled, some fancies, most with the kind of cancels shown in the pix. These are 1916 and 1918 cancels.

I am looking for advice on pursuing this portion of my father's unfinished collection. Wondering if he's been down this road already?Suggestions?



History:
There is a significant stamp collection as well. I am combing through a 1939 Scott Publications, The American Album for United States Stamps which is sparse from 1847 to 1900; it has quite a bit of cancels as my father was born in 1925, and by 1939, his collection matured to mint stamps, but are hinged. This abruptly changes in 1940, where mint stamps begin to emerge, and were preserved, although grades might impact mint quality; I have not got that far.

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Posted 11/01/2014   12:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Best of luck with the covers. I have a Rubbermaid tin full of over 1000 covers that I've been putting off for years now instead of tackling and sorting. The problem with covers is that there are so many nuances that come into play whether it be a postmark, stamp/s, destination, sender or receiver that can make it a very common or a very obscure cover.
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Posted 11/02/2014   10:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pjsstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mint sheet,
The possibilities are endless. There are no rules. My first "cover collection" was Discontinued Post Offices of Minnesota. It grew out of my pursuit of a cover from the town I lived in as a kid, Fridley Minnesota. Fridley had and still has a post office . When I was a kid it was a branch of the Minneapolis post office. In the 60's research was not as easy as it is today. It took me years to figure out I was looking for something from the 20's or earlier. In the process I continued to pick up covers that I thought were cool. When I resumed collecting well into my so called adulthood I needed to assemble all the boxes into something that resembled a collection, and that it how my first cover collection was born.
So go with what interest you. I now have 100's of cover collections for states, times, usages, rates, types, whatever. For me the fun is in the search, research, learning and sharing with others.
Looking at the two covers above, I know people that collect hotel covers, ad covers, W/F's on cover and flag cancellations. They all would be interested in those two covers. I'm sure there are also Ohio cover collectors. One cover can be of interest to many collectors for different reasons.
So dive in and find what interests you.
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Posted 11/02/2014   12:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
With regard to "Hotel covers" here's some interesting history of the New Harris Hotel shown on the first scanned cover from 1916. It was later sold and became the Julianna Hotel and was eventually razed and Juliana Park is now located on this former hotel site.

Based on these descriptions you can see how the hotel, once one of notable quality, later became something of less than acceptable standards:




When the hotel was last sold in 1968 it was described as follows:


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JULY 18, 1968 – ADA WEEKLY NEWS: Purchased by Durant Physician. One of Ada's oldest buildings, the Juliana Hotel complex was purchased just last week by Dr. Leroy Engles who bought the property from Alice S. Warren. The terms of the transaction were not announced. Formerly the Harris Hotel, the building was constructed in 1904, but has undergone many expansions and changes since that time. Dr. Engles said Saturday he will continue to operate the hotel, as is, for the time being. However, he added, "The building was purchased for investment purposes and we have plans for some changes within the next three to five years." Currently, the complex includes the hotel, a barber shop, western store, restaurant, shoe store, sho repair shop, insurance agency and loan shop. The hotel operated for about 40 years as the Harris Hotel. When it was opened in 1904, it was rated as one of the finest in Indian Territory. The hotel maintained an excellent dining room, spacious sample rooms in which "drummers" displayed samples of their firms wares, a billiard parlor and other comforts of the time. The owner, Sam Harris, originally a wholesaler at Shawnee, was one of the earlier investors in Ada property. He first built four one-story buildings on the site and then added a second story to provide 80 hotel rooms. The excellent accommodations of the hotel soon made Ada the weekend mecca for the traveling man and the hotel was the scene of many, early social functions. A vice president of the United States, Charles W. Fairbanks, made a speech in front of the hotel in October 1906. During its heyday in the 1920s and 1930s, the hotel counted among its guests governors, senators and various other officials, plus some of the most wealthy oilmen in the nation. It was bought by Julia Mae Smith about 1945 and the name was changed to Juliana. The property got a facelifting about 15 years ago.
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Edited by wt1 - 11/02/2014 12:14 pm
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Posted 11/03/2014   10:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice advert/corner cards! The first on I'm almost positive is a Scott#406. I'll look into it further when I'm back at home. At chemotherapy now so I only have access to my IPhone! LOL

My guess on the purple 3c is a Scott #501 or # 502 but of course it's almost impossible to tell from scan. Thank you for showing those beautiful WWI. era covers!
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Edited by I_Love_Stamps - 11/03/2014 10:42 am
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Posted 11/03/2014   10:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Someone give him the Swanson group cancellation identifier page please? I can't im stuck up at the cancer center..
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Posted 11/03/2014   9:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kimo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From what you show and describe I would think that the main value in such a collection would be the fun of going through it and seeing how your ancesters lived their everyday lives rather than much commercial value. Anything is possible, of course, but if it is mainly just ordinary mail it is the type of cover that tends to be sold in bunches for a couple of dollars per bunch on ebay. Some items that can sell for more than a few cents are pre 1900 covers with advertising all over them, covers from really unusual places, covers with the more rare railroad (RPO) cancellations, air mail covers with any of the first 6 US airmail stamps, and such. Identifying minor varieties of stamps on covers can be very difficult but you may want to buy the Scott's specialized catalog to try to see if any of the stamps are worth anything. Also, teach yourself about condition. Collectors do not collect just any stamps, they want ones in perfect or near perfect condition with great centering, no pulled perforations, no soiling, no fading, no thin spots, no rubbings, no creases, etc. etc. Anything other than this drops the values dramatically. I would urge you to find a very experienced collector or dealer in your area who would be willing to spend a couple of hours teaching you about these kinds of matters, and perhaps paying them for their time if necessary.
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Posted 11/04/2014   10:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That being said I finally kind of went through my hoard and I hate to admit it but close to 400 covers just made their way to the trash bin with many more to follow. While it was fun to see how the ancestors communicated 70 years ago, it got old very quickly. One can only sort through so many 3˘ prexie covers and the majority of covers were from 1930 - 1960 which to me is dime a dozen material that I just don't have storage means for.
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