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Posted 11/05/2014   7:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add TheStampNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I came across this C19...only problem is it is not dull orange, but brown violet. My first thought was it came in contact with some chemical which caused the color change reaction.

Just curious what others my have come across

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Posted 11/05/2014   8:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oxidation causes orange dies to change color to brownish shades. I have read of removing the oxidation by dampining a cotton ball with peroxide and enclosing that with the stamp in a small container. I think thats the method for a mint stamp.
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Posted 11/05/2014   9:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is this your stamp? Is this your scan? It's possible that a chemical change has occurred and there is a strong possibility that sulfuretting has happened. Sulferetting changes redish colors to a brownish color. You might try to remove the sulferetting in a hydrogen peroxide bath for a brief period of time. Search the U.S. classics forum here for "hydrogen peroxide" and you'll find recommendations for how to do so.
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Posted 11/05/2014   9:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kimo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oxidizing is the most likely. Especially if there was a source of sulfur near the stamp for a number of years. A very strong source of sulfur would be something made of rubber. Less likely but also possible is someone was having fun doing science experiments to see color changes in inks when certain chemicals are applied to old stamps.
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Posted 11/05/2014   9:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TheStampNut to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Phil,
I took a cotton ball with Peroxide on it and placed it in a container with the stamp elevated and will see what happens.
I'll post the results if any after 24 hours .
Don
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Posted 11/05/2014   9:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm very curious to know if the desulfuration can occur in the presence of high oxygen concentration (from the hydrogen peroxide) without the presence of water vapor. Can an oxygen tank produce the same results or is high humidity necessary?
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Posted 11/05/2014   9:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jarnick to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Since it is a used stamp, the hydrogen peroxide can be applied directly to the face of the stamp without fear of damage.
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Posted 11/06/2014   12:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bill Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Go to my website www.stampexpertizing.com, click onto "Articles" then scroll down to "How to remove oxidation from stamps".
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Posted 11/06/2014   09:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Two comments on Bill's link:

1. I was not able to get it to work by just clicking on it while in the forum. I had to paste the highlighted words into my browser (IE11) to get there.

2. In his article Bill acknowledges that the problem is due to sulphur and that "oxidation" is a misnomer. But he admits that the misnomer is so widespread that you can't fight it. Maybe he could and should have put the word "oxidation" in quotes, but no one who knows the chemistry involved needs to avoid his article because of this title. He gets it.

Not so sure about his suggestions on how to apply the peroxide to gummed stamps or the use of an eraser, but we all have our favorite techniques.
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Posted 11/06/2014   09:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
if they're used as that one is I would just give it a bath in peroxide for a minute or two watching it of course to see what happens. Wasn't there a purple one issued with the same design?
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Posted 11/06/2014   09:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 5c had the same design and is violet. I can't find any variants of the 6c design AP8 in my standard Scott catalogue. C19 is the only listing and is "dull orange".
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Posted 11/06/2014   12:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TheStampNut to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all for the information.

The stamp was placed in a plastic container elevated above one cotton ball I soaked and squeezed out any excess of peroxide. This morning (12 hours later ) the stamp had returned to the dull orange color and appears cleaner than before. The suggestion clearly worked without having to immerse in any bath but simply from the fumes and contact by the air in the container.
Thanks again!
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Posted 11/06/2014   2:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add knuppster59 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can you scan the stamp after the process? I'd like to see the change.
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Posted 11/06/2014   9:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
knuppster59, I'd also like to see the change. Until then, here is an earlier thread that discusses hydrogen peroxide use and photos of the results:
https://goscf.com/t/39040
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Edited by Historical DNA Collector - 11/06/2014 9:44 pm
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Posted 11/06/2014   10:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TheStampNut to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Here's the same stamp after leaving in a container as noted above. Thanks again for all the useful information.


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Posted 11/07/2014   12:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bill Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Essayk;

My bad. I stuck a comma in that link at the end so the it did not work. My apology. It is www.stampexpertizing.com That should work!
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