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Posted 11/22/2014   5:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add SavStamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Any love out there for the workhorse of the US Postal Service in the 1860's. I thought that I would share my collection of Scott 65's they have always been a favorite of mine. A friend made the pages for me about 20 yrs ago ( I hate the date's he put on top of pages, I will update them one of these days ) A lot of the stamps I have the info on such as Skinner and Enos, DPO, RPO etc... Not sure if I have the trail colors listed right, the second one I have listed as brown paper? Help? I still have another 30-40 in stock book, that I need to get more blank pages to display... Please reply with images of 65's from your collection or any comments... Thanks and Enjoy

















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Posted 11/22/2014   6:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Lovely display, shame someone cut down a Patriotic cover.
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Posted 11/22/2014   7:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice collection. Here's what I have so far:

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Edited by Historical DNA Collector - 11/22/2014 7:06 pm
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Posted 11/22/2014   7:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 1840to1940 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
When I was in college, I collected Paid cancellations on #65. Glad to see you have a couple, but in retrospect, I can see the appeal of a more general approach. Very nice.
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Posted 11/22/2014   7:48 pm  Show Profile Check KRelyea's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add KRelyea to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've got my eye on an unsorted collection of about 2000 of these, probably won't get them but I'd sure like to.
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Posted 11/22/2014   8:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On the top of page 7 of those album pages, the cover to a (Miss) Mary Adams of Barre, Massachusetts, is most likely referring to this individual who later married Charles T. Irish of that same town:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/f...id=122612743

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Posted 11/22/2014   9:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On page 9 of those album pages, the cover to a (Mrs.) Hiram G. Hill (a/k/a Mrs. Rowena T. (Thayer) Hill (1807-1881)) of Williamsburg, Massachusetts, was from a rather prominent family. In fact, Hiram G. Hill was a button manufacturer. An excerpt from his biography is noted below, as taken from the Kansas(!) Historical Society:


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Hiram Hill, of Williamsburg, Hampshire County, Massachusetts, was never a resident of Kansas. However, his involvement with the State [of Kansas], primarily as a land investor, was extensive.

According to entries recorded in his 1857 diary, Hiram Hill was born January 14, 1804. Like his father - Ephraim Hill - and his grandfather before him, Hiram was a successful businessman in the Williamsburg, Massachusetts, area.

In the 1840s he bought a small shop that produced wooden button molds, an industry common to the area. In 1861 Hill moved his expanding business to larger facilities originally erected, in 1848, by Williston Thayer. This building was known by the Hill family as the "button shop" well into the twentieth century. Hill was also involved in the operation of the Hill and Warner grist mill that had been built by his grandfather. His local prominence facilitated his election, in 1850, to one term as representative to the General Court of Hampshire County, [Massachusetts].


http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/f...Rid=69846545
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Posted 11/22/2014   9:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
wt1, I always love the history behind postal usage. I thank you for your research.
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Posted 11/23/2014   8:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SavStamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the responses.

wt1 Thanks for all the research and great info, the cover addressed to Hiram Hill is full size it has not been cut down, it must have been one short love letter or a very small button order.
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Posted 11/24/2014   1:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very attractive collection, SavStamp.
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Posted 11/24/2014   2:06 pm  Show Profile Check orstampman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add orstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
SavStamp - very neat collection! I also like this stamp issue, and at one time put together a one frame exhibit (16 pages - ALL focused on the fancy cancels. Very fun project! I don't know if I saved the scans, but may try to post them if I find them.

Cheers, Dave

PS: Oh yeah, one of the judges' comments when exhibited was "why only one Frame? You should be able to do at least 5 or 6 more!" Sure, I'd like to, just give me another 10 years!
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Posted 11/24/2014   2:44 pm  Show Profile Check orstampman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add orstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I found the scans, but not sure how the pages will turn out with reduced image size. I will post 6 of the first pages, and if OK, will post more.












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Posted 11/24/2014   3:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@SavStamp

You have a number of nice and interesting pieces there, and they present well. But I must confess that after the first two pages, I lose track of your organizational plan and can't tell what I am looking at for sure. Are you showing grilled material along with ungrilled. I see one item with a manuscript "1867" so we have some post war usage and I would expect some civil war usage. The items from Tennessee (1862 or 1864) and Georgia caught my attention, and I wondered how either or both was used during the war somehow. Maybe highlight those with comment. Your Peterborough NY cancel would have fit in nicely in a thread we had going a few weeks ago.

May I also suggest grouping your cancellations. Townmarks together (on and off piece), and grouped fancy cancels by type, but separately and not all together. On page three you have a couple of interesting production varieties (double perf and straddle pane) which are worthy of special notice. A comment or two on the printed envelope pieces might call attention to those.

Your display is worthy of the time it will take to organize it and give it some writeup, whether you ever want to exhibit it or not. And rest assured, if another collector would benefit from a patterned arrangement and written comments, those things will help keep the interest of non-collectors to whom you might show these.

It is a good start, and I encourage you to stay with it.

[Just saw the post by orstampman - a good example to follow.
Do you see how a bit of grouping and writeup can make the material easier to understand and bring the display to life?
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Posted 11/24/2014   11:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SavStamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for the replies.

orstampman That is an awesome exhibit. Thank you so much for sharing. Please show the rest if you get time.

essayk These are all Scott 65's no grills on these pages, I have another page of 88's and 94's. There are some late usage and southern usage during the civil war era... Unfortunately there is no rhyme or reason to how I organized them, I was on a buying frenzy in early 90's and just kept adding them to the pages as I got them. I hope to one day to redo all the pages maybe something along the lines of orstampman's exhibit and have all the loose stamps, on piece, covers all together and other interesting things spot lighted... The Peterborough NY cancel was mine a few weeks ago it was in my album with no info behind it ( lots of the stamps have the info written under the scott mounts). Thanks for the advice, as with everything I never stop learning
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Edited by SavStamp - 11/24/2014 11:22 pm
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Posted 11/25/2014   12:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bill Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Essayk; both Nashville/Tenn and Savannah/GA were occupied during the WBTS (War Between the States....) so usages of the current 3c union stamp are relatively common - even on full covers. But you make a good point about arrangement. And orstampman - Nice exhibit! But it *is* too big of a subject for one frame. A good rule of thumb when exhibiting one frame is "Can I tell the whole story in one frame". If the answer is yes, then it is a good candidate for a one-frame. If the answer is "no", then probably not a good one-framer.

**That being said however, the most important thing about exhibiting is whether you wish to please yourself OR the judges. If you don't care about high awards, then heck, show whatever you want, however you want and don't worry what judges think. But if you *do* care about the medals, then get yourself the Judging Manual.

** Comments NOT directed at orstampman or the exhibit, but are just general observations.
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Posted 11/25/2014   12:18 am  Show Profile Check orstampman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add orstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I completely agree, Bill - this IS too big of a subject for a 1-framer. There are many things missing from these "examples" that would provide a more "complete-ish" survey and story (I just didn't and still don't have them!). I also had some mistakes in the exhibit. I ended up getting a Vermeil, so wasn't at all disappointed.

Here's the rest of the exhibit pages. Those that are familiar with Skinner/Eno, Simpson and other similar references on cancels and markings will note some holes... nonetheless, these hopefully will provide some viewing pleasure, even if incomplete. Cheers!




















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