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Posted 12/19/2014   7:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add ThomasGalloway to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm looking for a plausible scenario for the creation of this EFO.



The UR half shares all the attributes of a disengaged cylinder kiss (no embossing). The LL half has all the characteristics of an albino (embossing with no ink).

Anyone venture a guess?
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Posted 12/19/2014   8:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder if the press operators calibrated the cylinders in a way that could cause this?
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Posted 12/19/2014   9:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like some foreign matter adhered to the left side, the line between ink and no ink is perfectly straight.
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Posted 12/19/2014   9:25 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Likely a piece of paper or cardboard, as it was sufficient to prevent the die from inking, but not rigid enough (metal, wood) to prevent the die from making an impression in the paper.
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Posted 12/20/2014   08:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ThomasGalloway to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So, a partial albino scenario, like the following, but with minimal pressure from the cylinder. Minimal enough to get the "kiss" type ink impression?



The object obscuring the stamp is most probably the next envelope blank. Or 2. Now two blanks would go a long ways towards dampening the embossing, especially if the pressure was mostly off.
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Posted 12/20/2014   12:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your first image appears to be perfectly in half. Hard to imagine this being random. Anythings possable...
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Posted 12/22/2014   6:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jobi01 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The explanation for the partial albino is very well known among envelope EFO aficionados. The under inked portion of the cylinder can be explained but a disengaged cylinder combined with the envelope blank "kissing" the inked die. What Thomas is hoping to find is an explanation of how both happen at the same time.
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Posted 12/22/2014   7:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jobi01, understood, I was just musing about how it's done, in this case, perfectly in half. Thought this might give a clue that it wasn't random. That leads back to my first post in this thread.
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Posted 12/22/2014   7:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ThomasGalloway to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
stampcrow, Is cylinder calibration something you have experience with? I do not.
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Posted 12/22/2014   8:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ThomasGalloway, No not press cyclinders. But I did work for Eastman Kodak on film base production. We dealt with 54" width pressure rollers, calender rollers etc. We applied coatings with rollers, and controlled sheet conveyance with others.. Anyway, some of these things the pressure was applied with hydraulic or mechanical cylinders (pressure adjusted with hand turned screws). It all had to be calibrated before product was made and monitored during production with adjustments often needed.

Our process was a continuous sheet process. Much different then what I imagine the process for making these embossed env. But, there had to have been, pressure adjustments made or mechanical set up adjustments made before and probably during any long repetitive usage.

Revcollector is probably correct. Whatever created the albino side may have been thick enough to have caused the other side to just kiss. It just struck me that it looked to perfect.
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Posted 12/23/2014   06:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ThomasGalloway to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Our process was a continuous sheet process. Much different then what I imagine the process for making these embossed env."

During certain periods, U.S. envelopes were made on web-fed presses. However, this one was made on a sheet-fed press. As the envelope blank went through the press, it was printed top down. So, as enticing as the idea is of something thick causing the kiss print, it is hard to envision the top part of the stamp not being made under pressure, at least until the (thick) obstructing object came along to create the albino portion.

However, if the pressure is substantially off (as kiss prints go, this one is fairly strong, so things are close), AND you have a thick overlay on the bottom (lower left) half of the stamp area, that thick object may actually add to the pressure - enough to create the weak embossing.

Plausible?
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Posted 12/23/2014   6:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Plausible? Yes, I think so. Unless we can find a write up of there operating procedures, we may never know for sure. It's a great piece though.
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