Squire & Jordan's Penny Post - None Exist

The American Philatelist, Volume 33 "Note: We have never seen an undoubted originial of the one cent rose ..."

That being said, according to Lyons' book, Vol. III, page 981, it passes the 10 criteria of an original AND the criteria of the 1956 reprint. I thought it looked a little too clean.

I did read somewhere that the Jordan's was only used over a Squire stamp. Looks like I'm really going to have to pick up Lyon's book on values.

You have the reprint. Here are 2 colors "on cover".

John Becker - And the green one. I had come to the conclusion that it was the reprint, however I hadn't recognized the paper as being a post card. (Another detail to which attention must be paid). Thank you for the examples.

Why is it called a reprint ?
Or is this the terminology used for these types of items ?

Londonbus1 - I'm not exactly sure, but I would think it is called a reprint because the original stamps were used in the 1860s - as postage - and the ones pictured, although from the 1950s, aren't fakes pretending to be the real thing, but 'reprinted' as part of an 'occasion', as to commemorate 100 years, or some such thing. However, I'm quite new to stamps so I hope someone much more knowing will be along to answer.

John Becker - I seem to be doing a lot of looking but little seeing or thinking. Those are on envelopes, aren't they? It looks like that kind of 'bump' at a couple of corners and the top edge has that look of folded paper one sees with envelopes. And, the date (year) is blank because it is a commemorative?

Yes, the 2 I posted are on full envelopes. These are souvenir "show covers" from the stamp show - completely philatelic. I have no direct knowledge why there is no year date in the Jordan's mark, other than to point out that few postmarks of the 1856 era had year date in them.

This is what an authentic Squier & Jordan postmark looked like, which is why the 1956 reprinted postmark copied it in the same way. The original cover shown was offered at a Siegel auction and realized $2600:



The description of the cover included this quote about the Squier-Jordan Penny Post:




http://www.siegelauctions.com/dynam...2031,%202003

Interesting cover as it shows the poor quality of the Jordan's rouletting of the Squier local. Lovely to see.

It has not been mentioned, only alluded to, but it's worth adding the info for future enquirers.

The Mound City Stamp Club of St. Louis reproduced the Squier local for their Stamp Exhibition in September 1956. These Light Blue and Red examples were printed in sheets of 80 Se-Tenant throughout the sheet. They were from a second printing.

I have other colours which I believe are reproductions of those reproductions, but it is hard to find out any solid information about them as it is with most reproduced items.

Nice topic.

Londonbus1

Neat! I posted this sheet I got at an estate auction a little over a year ago. Came from the same convention.

Hi, interesting thread. I've been trying to find out more about these stamps. I brought a box of water damaged albums in an auction and came across these. I understand there are a few forgeries about. I believe from the letter there are 7 pairs. I'm a bit wary to start soaking the letter off them incase I damage them. If of course they are forgeries and worthless, then I'm free to try. I just don't know. Any suggestions?

It is not possible to have had two different color images on the same sheet. Those are modern printings. And definitions with locals, reprints, bugus, fake, forgery are important distinctions to specialists who like to buy the different non-original material, as they can be a lot of fun at modest prices. There are fake locals on ebay all the time. Often not accurately described as such, so if you seriously want to collect this material, a set of the Lyon's books, though expensive, is a *must*. And a real education as some of these locals can have as many as 30-40 different forgeries, reprints, etc for ONE stamp!