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Posted 03/07/2015   10:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add kcaramat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I came across this stamp in my collection recently and am wondering if this is a "pink back"

Scott shows pink backs occurred on a few Washington Franklins near the start of World War I. Germany was the dominant supplier of synthetic dyes at that time. Chemical plants were converted to explosive factories and the British blockade curtailed imports.

The Bureau of Engraving and Printing was forced to get dyes where ever they count find them. A poor quality batch of aniline ink resulted in the dye bleeding through the paper creating a pink back.

What do you think, pink back ??



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Posted 03/07/2015   11:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mind if we see the front? An aniline bleed is visible on both sides of the stamp.
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Posted 03/07/2015   11:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kcaramat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not at all !



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Posted 03/07/2015   11:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 1847bill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is hard to say. The Schermack type III perfs look fake. If they are then, it certainly makes figuring out which stamp and when it was made very difficult.
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Posted 03/07/2015   11:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This for sure is an aniline bleed and not the result of soaking a stamp off of pink/red colored paper. The color intensity on the reverse is not uniform all the way to the edges, but tends to be more dense in the middle and feathers off at the edges. The lines of printing on the obverse also feather out from their defining lines.

If that is what you mean by calling it a "pink back" then that is what it is.

BTW sometimes the color will transfer to a piece of paper making contact with the obverse, such as in a closed album. With these devils you don't want to mount stamps on a facing page without interleaving, unless this one is in a mount.
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Posted 03/07/2015   2:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
This for sure is an aniline bleed and not the result of soaking a stamp off of pink/red colored paper


I respectfully disagree.
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Posted 03/07/2015   3:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kcaramat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kevin

Please elaborate ?
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Posted 03/07/2015   3:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 1847bill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scott notes that the only 2 cent stamp with the pink back is a 425 perf 10 with sl watermark. Have you checked the watermark out yet?
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It's a single line watermark. Imperforate stock was simply pulled from regular BEP production prior to perforating. Pink backs are known on Scott #409 both with and without Schermack type III perfs. What makes this stamp interesting is that it has control identification marks too.

The timing of when companies stopped using control identification marks and when the "pink backs" were thought to have been created is what is confusing to me. There seems to be a gap of a few months here. Either control perforations were used slightly longer than previously thought or the Bureau experimented with aniline ink a couple months earlier than thought.

Or of course the possibility this isn't a "pink back" at all.

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Scott notes that the only 2 cent stamp with the pink back is a 425 perf 10 with sl watermark

1847bill is CORRECT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/426-var-PIN...em3ce8083e6e

A example from the #426 3c issue.
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Posted 03/07/2015   5:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kcaramat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's given, Scott only references pink backs on Washington/Franklin 425, 426 and 435. It's also a known fact that they do exist on Scott #409 as they were pulled from production runs and have been certified as such.

The actual stamp design or the paper printed on is no different than the 1912 Scott #406. The change in Scott numbers only reflects a perforation change. It does however give a clue as to the timing of the ink formulation change.

In 1914 Germany was producing 90% of the world's synthetic dyes. The start of World War I forced the BEP to find dyes where ever they could. Formulations were in a constant state of change. That's the reason for as many as 15 color shades of the 2 cent Washingtons.
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Posted 03/07/2015   5:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kevin, we're still waiting for you to account for what you are seeing. I know nothing about any special class of stamps being called "pink backs" but I do know aniline bleed when I see it, and I have pointed out some of the markers.

So what do you make of these data? Telling us about what the catalog lists is only part of what is needed.
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Posted 03/07/2015   7:49 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have to agree with Kevin on this one. The entire stamp should not be discolored on a "pink back".
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Posted 03/07/2015   7:54 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I also question whether you will see ink setoff on a genuine "pink back"
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essayk.....as per Scott:
The aniline ink caused a pink tinge
to permeate the paper and appear on
the back.

My take....
Made the paper translucent and the design
shown thru with a pink tinge.

It does not make the paper "pink".
The example shown is NOT pink....
it is a red bleed ....from soaking??
It is NOT a bleed thru.
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Posted 03/07/2015   8:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kcaramat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So this is more of what you would expect to see as a pink back ?





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