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Opinion On Breaking Down Blocks Of Stamps Into Singles

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Posted 04/28/2015   09:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Since these plate numbers are rare, one would be paying a premium for these plate number singles when buying them. However, anyone foolish enough to later tear them off will most likely realize a loss in the value of these stamps without their plate numbers and it would also be a great loss of the unique feature of these stamps as they relate to philately.
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Edited by jogil - 04/28/2015 09:45 am
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Posted 04/28/2015   09:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bill Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Those who do not have the ability to collect postage stamps with an eye to posterity, should not be allowed to own anything rare that might be considered part of our cultural heritage. How's that for a radical position?


Indeed radical. And just who gets to decide who does or does not have the "ability" you describe? Will there be a "Board of Preservation Ability Evaluation"? Or something similar? And how do you envision this "ability" or lack of it, will be enforced? Will there be a professional enforcement arm of the hobby who can "arrest" and "prosecute" any offenders?

This hobby doesn't even have the ability to stop crooks from selling their problematic wares to inexperienced buyers, wherever the venue, so I can't imagine any way to stop owners from doing whatever they please with the property they acquire.
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Posted 04/28/2015   09:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bill, If owners have the right spirit no one will have to force anything on them. But nothing kills that spirit faster or more certainly than avarice.


As for how it all gets started - public opinion
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Posted 05/01/2015   6:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a fairly egregious example (not accusing the seller here--who knows who did it?)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-USED-RECU...em27f87c4a46

The stamp for sale, while not too bad, is cut from the original pair very close at left, so the other stamp could become a super-duper jumbo grade 2000 used single. The original pair was a gem with a clean PFC. Why in the world would it be destroyed (rhetorical question)?
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Posted 05/01/2015   9:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kollectorkurt to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
STUPIDITY (rhetorical answer)

A question for Bill and any other expertizer on the forum...
Is a cert invalidated when the item as certified is altered?

In my opinion, the stamp being offered DOES NOT carry a valid cert, and I would NEVER buy such an item.
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Posted 05/01/2015   9:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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A question for Bill and any other expertizer on the forum...
Is a cert invalidated when the item as certified is altered?


Why even ask... it doesn't take am expertizer to answer this...

Y-E-S !
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Posted 05/01/2015   9:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Actually the cert is still valid, but getting a new cert should be a priority. Auctions do this all the time, list singles with certs from when it was part of a multiple.
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Posted 05/01/2015   9:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Obviously the cert is for condition rather than genuineness.
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Posted 05/02/2015   12:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bill Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bart is correct. The cert is still valid. Like he says, singles are sold all the time that originated in multiples. Most commonly seen are singles broken from blocks. As long as the condition of the single matches the description on the cert., it is acceptable.
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Posted 05/02/2015   1:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I certainly wouldn't send it in for a second cert. A #9 is too common and too easily identified to justify one. I would, however, change the ebay description to a #9 instead of #7. :)
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Posted 05/02/2015   7:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add guykickinit to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
<--- has never spent enough $$ on a stamp to warrant a certificate.
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Posted 05/02/2015   7:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A new cert would not be for identification, it would be to make sure that the stamp was not damaged when it was separated, depending on the stamp and a collector's ability to do so himself.
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Posted 05/03/2015   1:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
But the new cert would just have to be redone if the item were offered for sale, and it would only be useful to someone who wanted to buy it sight unseen. The stamp is inexpensive enough that the price differential between cert or no cert probably is less than the cost of another cert.
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Posted 05/03/2015   9:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Clearly it would depend on the particular stamp involved.
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Posted 05/05/2015   11:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Which is the #9 from the beginning of the thread. :)
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