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"Cartel" Strikes Again!

 
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Posted 04/29/2015   9:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Bill Weiss to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-2c-Panam...em1c50ff1cee;

Today I received this stamp to expertize in the mail from the unfortunate buyer..... It is not even remotely a 398a (surprise!). So another lesson here in how easy it is for the ethically challenged to make big profits when selling to the inexperienced (or should I say "preying..."?). A lovely NH #398 should be readily available in the market for what(?), less than $100. for sure (if ungraded), and here we see a nifty profit for the seller!

Ah Ha! But where the seller makes his one mistake is that he's not figuring the inexperienced buyer is going to seek an expert 3rd party opinion! So this time, he will be foiled because the buyer can reply on the PayPal money-back guarantee. But I bet the seller makes the buyer jump through hoops in the meantime. He may start by informing the buyer, who will, of course, demand a refund, that he won't accept my certs. At that point he's hoping that the seller will give up because to add an addititional expert service will easily cost the buyer another $40/50. (added to the purchase price and the fee/shipping he's already paid for my opinion). Hopefully, the buyer won't fall for that ploy and will go to PayPal quickly.

One last thought though, is that I just don't understand how buyers can expert to buy a rare stamp cataloging $2,500. for 10% of catalog? That doesn't defend the ethically-challenged seller(s) at all, but it is mystifying to me.

Like the Sarge on the old "Hill Street Blues" would warn his officers as he dismissed them for their shift; "Let's be careful, it's a jungle out there"? (Do I have that quote right?).
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Posted 04/29/2015   10:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billw2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bill,

It's greed. I used to sell 60+ cars a month on ebay. There were tons of scams: 3 year old BMW 7 series for $20K just wire a $5K deposit to XYZ and we'll ship it to you.......

BTW, Just sent you an email via your site...
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Edited by billw2 - 04/29/2015 10:34 pm
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Posted 04/30/2015   12:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It might have been because it was a jungle, but the tag line was only 'let's be careful out there.'
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Posted 04/30/2015   12:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No way on the Lord's green earth is it even a 398a...

Some poor sucker just paid the piper... and the buyer
was most certainly not a cartel shill... not even at 20%
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Posted 04/30/2015   09:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bill Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oh no, the buyer was the client who submitted it to me for expertization. The problem is that inexperienced buyers simply "believe" the seller's description. And even though we can argue that they are fools for doing so, the ebay Feedback system lulls the buyers because the feedback score appears to be very high, so they probably tag the seller as "honest" and simply take their word. And unless they seek expert help as this buyer fortunately did, they might simply receive the stamp and stick it in their album, believing they bought a 398a because "the seller said so".

Ikey - Thanks. The more I think about it, the Sarge also used to add "And let's do it to them before they do it to us"!
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Posted 04/30/2015   11:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Oh no, the buyer was the client who submitted it to me for expertization.


Sorry, Bill... I skimmed through your post so quickly, I didn't
notice that...

That said, I hope the buyer has sufficient sense to put in a
'not as decribed' claim with ebay...
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Posted 04/30/2015   1:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pagoda to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bill,

are you sure the seller is the one that is usually referred to as the " Cartel ". I thought the " Cartel " was British.

Pagoda
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Posted 04/30/2015   2:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ringo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sgt Esterhaus used to say "Let's be careful out there". The actor died at some point, and so a new sergeant was written in - Sgt Jablonski. His line was, "Do it to them before they do it to you".
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Posted 04/30/2015   3:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Pagoda,
Yes, without a doubt. You cannot use the 'item shipped from' info, they use remailer firms as an added layer of obfuscation. Go to the user profile for that seller and you will see he is 'based in United Kingdom'.
Don
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Posted 04/30/2015   3:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Additionally to the above...

HMorgan (two account names) are KNOWN Cartel accounts...
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Posted 04/30/2015   9:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bill Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
We have posted the various seller names of those we believe are "cartel", but of course, there is limited exposure here. If we could send an announcement to every ebay stamp category shopper THEN we could accomplish something. Otherwise, we swim against the tide! But we keep on swimming!
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