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Confederate Colour Trials Or Bogus?

 
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Posted 08/20/2015   8:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add codexluminati to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Found them in an old album with also "colour trials" from the Paraguay first set.
What are they, colour trials, bogus stamps or else?
+ is at least the 5 cents real?

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Posted 08/21/2015   3:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add codexluminati to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to a friend, I got the link bellow that explains everything.

http://www.jlkstamps.com/webpage/index1.htm

"On 1 JUL 1862, the CSA discontinued the 5c rate. Therefore, there was no further need for 5c stamps. The CSA government asked that De La Rue in London supply plates for a 10c stamp. Since there was a severe time constraint implied, De La Rue in order to save time took the original die for the 5c Jefferson Davis stamp and simply changed the value tablet from 5c to 10c and constructed an altered plate of 400 subjects in 4 panes of 100.
Since there was no need for a 1c stamp as there was no 1c rate, the CSA government also asked De La Rue for a 2c plate. De La Rue did the same thing with the 1c John C. Calhoun stamp and changed the value tablet on the original die to 2c and constructed a second altered plate of 400 subjects in 4 panes of 100.

These two altered plates were shipped through the blockade to Richmond. De La Rue did not print any stamps from these plates. When the plates arrived in the Confederacy, they were shelved and never used by the CSA government. The CSA government never printed any stamps from these altered plates. There is no known specific reason why these plates were never used, but it is known that Postmaster General Reagan was committed to the use of engraved stamps. Since these plates were typographed and not engraved, that is most likely the reason that they were never used. These plates were thought to have been stored at the Archer & Daly printing facility in Atlanta, Ga and were captured by the North with the fall of Atlanta. Or they may have been in Richmond and captured with the fall of Richmond. It is not really known for sure.

The story goes that a federal soldier captured the 10c altered plate and cut the plate up into sections giving them as gifts to friends as a "rebel souvenir." Sections of this altered plate have long been known. In 1896, 500 sheets where known to have been printed in black with proof-like impressions from a section of 70 stamps which for many years was the largest known surviving section. Very recently two additional sections of the plate have since been discovered in private hands both full panes of 100. Now only one pane of 100 remains unaccounted for. Through the years, there have been many printings from various sections of the original plate. One of the ones most commonly seen is a block of 9. There have also been many facsimiles of the 10c altered plate stamp in various colors. They are today quite common and are very often found in older collections and are constantly turning up for sale in dealer's stocks and on places like E-Bay auctions where the seller is unaware of the true history."

Interesting story, I keep Learning everyday.
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Posted 08/21/2015   3:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am no expert on these stamps but you might want to read this, note section that refers to the 10c Altered Plates. "Below are a few examples of the 10c Altered Plate facsimiles. Many others also exist. "
http://www.jlkstamps.com/qa/qa6.htm
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Posted 08/21/2015   3:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
All of the altered plate printings have look of the Richmond printings. Whoever printed them just couldn't get the perfect consistency of the ink and the correct paper for a clear, clean printing the way the printers in London did.
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Posted 08/21/2015   3:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add codexluminati to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes 51studebaker, your link should have been the one I put, but by mistake I put the link of their homepage.

Thanks for the correction.
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Posted 08/21/2015   8:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add srailkb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've handled these 10c items over the years, and they come in many colors (I'd guess 15-20 different.) CSA isn't my specialty, but I don't think they're particularly valuable (well if they are, I haven't found anyone willing to pay more than a couple bucks a piece, LOL.)
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Posted 12/09/2015   1:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add remco mouthaan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So these might be real, but not with any specific
value..?



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Posted 12/10/2015   1:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
So these might be real, but not with any specific
value..?


To paraphrase Pontius Pilate, What is "real"?
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Posted 12/10/2015   1:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add remco mouthaan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Haha..you tell me ;).

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Posted 12/10/2015   1:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kollectorkurt to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I picked up about two dozen examples of the 2c and 10c "trial colors" at a show in October, many different colors and paper types. They will make a nice page in my small CSA collection of fakes, reproductions and cinderellas. I couldn't resist picking them up. They were in one of my regular show dealer's Dime Book. I pulled 63 total items out and paid all of $5 for the lot.
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Posted 12/10/2015   5:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add remco mouthaan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice. I would not mind to have the complete color set :).

How many were printed from these then,or is that impossible to estimate?

Btw. Would love to see them :).

Remco
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