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Herm Island, Cinderellas Or No?

 
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Posted 04/09/2009   11:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add stefanib123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I got this set of stamps in a bigger ww lot, there Herm Island,they were released in 1954 October 25th. I found a lot of information at http://www.herm-island.com/shop/Buy...-Stamps.aspx.

But on stampwants, this ad:http://www.stampwants.com/Herm-Isla...ctiondetails has them listed as "cinderellas" or labels.

On this website:http://www.junior-philatelists.com/...sland.shtmlI found this also:



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Herm Island for many people is probably best known for its colourful postal history, having issued its own stamps for a 20 year period from 1949 to 1969 during which time Channel Islands postal services came under the auspices of the British Post Office. Failure by this authority to recognise the need for a regular postal link brought about this inter-island service. Herm's own issues were used in conjunction with the Guernsey regional stamps of the British Post Office to help defray some of the operational costs involved.

Over the years this proved to be a beneficial and popular amenity, appealing particularly to the 100,000 or so annual visitors to the island. Then, on the 1st October 1969 the British Post Office became a public corporation from which Guernsey wished to remain apart, and so consequently formed its own Post Office Board, issuing its own stamps. The new Board on seeing the volume of mail from Herm-as many as 200,000 items per year-then promptly decided to ban any local issues, making it an offence to use them under penalty of heavy fines. An official Sub-Post Office was then opened on Herm where now only Guernsey stamps may be bought and used for posting, although mail is still cancelled 'Herm Island' With a metal hand stamp.



SO, if they were used as stamps, then they aren't cinderellas, right?
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Posted 04/09/2009   11:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stefani,

The Herm Island stamps were not recognized as valid by the British post office. So in this sense, they are different from Guernsey, Isle of Man, Jersey...

The Herm Island stamps were privately issued for use by a private carrier, who would transport the stamps to the mainland. These mailings also had to have the proper GB stamps affixed for the British post office to do the final delivery. So in this sense, they were not really valid for postage. This is why they are sometimes referred to as labels or cinderellas.

Of course, with all the privatization going on, and the move toward listing local post and private carrier issues in the catalogs, the "definitions" start to get a little murky.

Other similar issues include Lundy (by far, the most well-known), Davaar, Sanda, Staffin...

There is a small, but dedicated following for these issues; especially Lundy.

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Posted 04/10/2009   03:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Herm Island is a local post thus making it a cinderella. The USPO authorized Rattlesnake Island Local Post to service that community as long as the certain rules were met and it is also a cinderella.
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Posted 04/10/2009   08:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stefanib123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, I get it. My understanding of a cinderella was wrong. I thought a "cinderella" was just a sticker or label.

I like these, I think the history is interesting.

A single stamp was also issued to pay for urgent messages carried by pigeon post as Herm did not have a telephone link to Guernsey until late 1949.Here's one of the pigeon post stamps, its the last one:



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I think that's awesome! A lot of mail carriers have been used over the years, but a pigeon is unusual.
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Posted 04/10/2009   09:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stefani.. the term Cinderella covers a lot of territory !!
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Posted 04/10/2009   10:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stefanib123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am learning that, Phil! I have been readin the cinderella threads, and I see there's a lot of disagreement over the word, also.
The world of philately is so huge.When I first got interested, I had no idea of the amount of stamps (and history) that is out there!

The only problem is that I want to learn it all, and I can spend hours on top of hours researching and reading about it! But,I could spend a lifetime studying stamps full-time and not even come close to knowing it "all".

Oh, well,that's ok, its a lot of fun trying!
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Posted 04/10/2009   10:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One basic definition of Cinderella is any stamps not listed in a general postage stamp catalog. There has been some hot debate on this subject. There is a tread in the Cinderella forum if you are interested Stefanib123.
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Posted 04/10/2009   10:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperdude to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
StefaniB123,
My Springpatch local post would be in the cinderella subcategory of Fantasy Label. It has no postage value what so ever. It is just for fun to enhance my covers and outgoing mail to collectors.
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Posted 04/11/2009   06:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stefanib123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have been reading every forum on this site,and had never seen the Cinderella forum! DUh! I don't know how I managed that!
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To the best of my knowledge, stamps from Lundy Island, Rattlesnake Island, Kaulbach Island and Hermes Islands etc, etc are cinderellas.

I once heard that if a country such as the ones I have referred to issue stamps, and are not recognized by the UPU (Universal Postal Union), or created by any bonafide recognized country, then they are deemed by philatelists as 'cinderellas'. Please correct me if I am wrong. Some people also consider Christmas and Easter seals as cinderellas too (?)

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Posted 05/27/2011   10:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lockumupthrowawaykey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a set from Herm Island.





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