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#178 With Beautiful Color

 
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Posted 11/06/2015   7:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add dittrich to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
if this nice color form cover?





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Posted 11/06/2015   7:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlmstamps2012 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To dittrich,
Extremely nice color combo. And with my home town,
Providence R.I. c.d.s.
Bob
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Posted 11/06/2015   7:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kollectorkurt to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
dittrich - The stamp has a very nice color, and the blue Providence, Rhode Island cancel enhances the appearance. The fancy cancel if an over-inked ring of eight arrowheads.
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Posted 11/06/2015   9:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One would keep this on the cover, right?
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Posted 11/06/2015   10:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Would never even consider removing the stamp, lovely cover.
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Posted 11/06/2015   10:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stampalotapus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dazzling.

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Posted 11/07/2015   03:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dittrich to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks @ all.

sadly had cover not a date stamp, this to be interesting. usually gum on top left side from stamp back side is not clear identifiable.

i find interesting the secret mark.


the cover detail with scanning automatic exposure. I to be ravished.


i have by www.usphila.com/us/stamp/pri...tt-178-page-1 not find to comparable.
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Posted 11/07/2015   10:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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sadly had cover not a date stamp, this to be interesting. usually gum on top left side from stamp back side is not clear identifiable.
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the cover detail with scanning automatic exposure. I to be ravished.



Dittrich,

I take it from these remarks that you clipped the cover in order to bend back the paper and show the gum on the stamp. Please say it isn't so, but I saw that in a post on another thread some time ago, as well as pictures of stamps on cover with transillumination. If you are doing this, I hope you will reconsider what you are doing in sacrificing the material for the images. You are destroying the philatelic value of the cover. If it is for a higher purpose on a damaged cover, I can understand. But this cover was a highly collectable artifact, and should not have been so treated. The damage, unfortunately, is irreversible. I hope it came to you that way, and that you did not do this.

I understand the impulse to study the technical features of the stamps. But pictures of the residual gum on a stamp on cover serve no purpose. Even in a study of seasonal gum, a sample from a stamp on cover has been altered from its original state. The same can be said of doing this to get a picture of the paper with light passing through. If a stamp must be removed for study, it can be done in a way that does not destroy the cover. That is the proper way to proceed.

Your comment that the cover does not have a year date, which presumably makes it of less value to you, does not take into consideration that year dated cancels from 1870 through 1877 were the exception, not the rule. The absence of a year date doesn't necessarily make those covers worthless or unimportant. This cover had philatelic value because of the exceptional contrast of the colors of the stamp ink and that of the cancellation.

You are always free to collect in any way you like, and to treat the material any way you choose. It is your property. But a broader view among the most sophisticated philatelists sees each of as a custodian of material which forms part of a collecting heritage that includes others. We are caretakers of it for a generation, and our task is to maintain it unaltered from the state in which it came to us, or possibly restored to its original state wherever possible.

Please give it some thought.
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Edited by essayk - 11/07/2015 10:44 am
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Posted 11/07/2015   12:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dittrich to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
hallo essayk,

the stamp was loose at the left top side from cover. The cover is very thick and I can not to see by transillumination, if stamp #178 or #183. the stamp paper is white and not yellowish wove.

the stamp had not damage.
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Edited by dittrich - 11/07/2015 12:04 pm
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Posted 11/07/2015   12:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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the stamp had not damage.



The stamp is not all there is. It is the cover that now has damage.


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The cover is very thick and I can not to see by transillumination, if stamp #178 or #183. the stamp paper is white and not yellowish wove.


You cannot use transillumination to distinguish paper type for a stamp on a cover. The paper structure of the envelope will also be seen and will confuse what want to see on the stamp. There are ways to tell the paper without removing the stamp, but if it MUST be removed, that can be done without harm to either the stamp or the cover.

There is another current thread asking how to go about "lifting" a stamp to check its watermark without damaging the cover. It is a good question and a good one for you to follow as well. It is a skill few of us have learned.
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Posted 11/07/2015   12:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dittrich to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ok essayk, I must to learn but the cover is little damage not more as before

sorry
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