10's And 11's, Trying To Get A Handle On Color

Good Afternoon everybody. I've neglected my classic US front of the book in favor of BOB for the last few years, and much FOB I've received have been put into stock books. I think I have enough of a range of colors here to gamer opinions on #10 vs #11. Can anybody help? Are there other characteristics besides color I should be looking at? All these were scanned together on one stock page with a gray card, so the colors should be accurate relative to one another. Thanks!

is the last row orange-brown? or are those orange-red?

Just quickly, I would say you do not have any #10s in this group. The reason being, Scott #10s are Type I(no inner frame lines, left and right side)and Orange Brown color. The only stamp that might be type I in your group is in the second row, stamp on the far right. That doesn't appear to be (per my monitor) the color or quality of an Orange Brown. So it's not a #10.

There are two stamps, per my monitor, that could be Orange Brown. They are bottom row center and right. Both those stamps have recut inner frame lines. So if those two are Orange Brown, they would be Scott #10A.
Check out the link below for some basics.
http://rosenstamps.com/the-3-cent-stamp-of-1851/

thanks for the link stampcrow!

The shockingly beautiful Galena, IL pair are 10A's. The cancel is off by a day but you gotta take'em as they come I guess. Bottom row middle is a 10A and the far right stamp is likely a 10A. I don't like to generalize about the appearance of the 1851 OB's. You need to acquire a general knowledge of them to be able to spot them easily.

The middle stamp in the second row is 70L2L and the first stamp in the bottom row is 1R2L, both #11A.

I agree that the pair and the other 2 stamps in the bottom row look like 10A, but I haven't been able to plate them.

Randall,
I snagged your two images above that ttreen was kind enough to plate; I have added to our Plating Initiative database. I'll buy you lunch next time!
Don

Wow - you plating guys are amazing - and I have these individually at higher res if needed, just let me know. I hope you are feeling ok, Don. Let's have lunch together.

The pair is 12-13L2e, so confirmed as #10A. If you send a 1200 dpi scan I'd be happy to crop the left stamp and post it to the 3c database.

Wow... you guys are like Piranha...LOL Great stuff.

southpaw, obviously with sinclair2010 identifying the pair as OB, you can take it to the bank. I mention this because that also really narrows down the possible plate positions.
I don't have the Chase plate prints so can't help. But knowing they're OB and using the clues of, two inner frame lines and one vertical line recut in upper left triangle, I'll bet it narrows it down to less than 40 positions.


Edit: hah, ttreen was posting at the same time. Nice!

Thanks everybody. Here are the 1200 dpi scans:

Is this plating initiative database live? I would love a look.

The 3¢ 1851-57 Plating Initiative is located here…
http://www.stampsmarter.com/Plating_Landing.html

It is a community effort which will be an newer, high resolution of the "The 3c Stamp of the United States 1851-1857 Issue" by Carroll Chase.
Don

Thanks Don, that is great to see. So if I have a few I can successfully plate, I will send them on. What data entry help do you need?

I have been hoping for a 3 cent version of the Franklin Plating Archive.

Ray

Ray,
Sent you an email.
Don

The stampsmarter plating site is... the Chase plating information, ala the USPCS site, combined with plated stamp images ala the Steven Ruecker site. Combined with pertinent information provided by experts, regarding the plating of the THREE CENT stamps...an excellent resource.

That's how I see it anyway. I bring the beginners perspective.