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Posted 03/02/2010   10:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add King Conn to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Czechoslovakia was dismembered by Nazi Germany, starting with Neville Chamberlain's Munich Agreement with Hitler in 1938 and the German–Italian Vienna Awards. The Czech part (western) of the country became the so-called Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia under so-called State-President Emil Hácha, the newly separated Slovak Republic, a Nazi-dependent puppet regime, led by Roman Catholic priest Jozef Tiso was ultimately inserted in Slovakia. Part of southern Slovakia as well as the complete Ruthenia (the former most eastern part of Czechoslovakia) was annexed by Hungary. Zaolzie was annexed by Poland, only to be snatched from them by the Germans 11 months later. In 1945 the victorious Soviet Union returned Zaolzie to Czechoslovakia. From 1940, a government-in-exile in London under former Czechoslovak President Edvard Beneš was recognized as an Allied power. The Slovak National Uprising, commenced in August 1944, was suppressed by German forces at the end of October; partisans, however, continued fighting in the mountains till the end of the war. In April 1945, the Red Army defeated the Germans and ousted Tiso's government, annexing Carpathia Ruthenia to the USSR.
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Posted 03/02/2010   11:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stamps 1/3/4 are from Bohemia & Morovia (ie the Czech Rep.0 while it was a German Protectorate.
Stamp #2 is from Slovakia which a puppet state.

While not shown Carpathian-Ruthenia aka Carpathian-Ukraine was independent for a day issuing 1 stamp before the Soviets occupied it in 1939.

Good stuff King Conn
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Edited by warrehouse - 03/02/2010 11:10 am
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Posted 03/02/2010   12:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kirks to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great history lesson. Thanks, KS
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Posted 03/02/2010   6:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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While not shown Carpathian-Ruthenia aka Carpathian-Ukraine was independent for a day issuing 1 stamp before the Soviets occupied it in 1939.


Interesting discussion, and references to the above stamp?
where would I find it in the Catalogue please?

"Puppet State" to me seems demeaning, as if the populace gets branded with the machinations of those in charge at the time.
Or do I have the nuance wrong?

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Posted 03/03/2010   12:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Puppet state simply is a term that a nation appears to be independent but is control by a conquering nation. They are established not by popular internal uprising but forced into independence by an outside power.

Other such countries were Croatia, Serbia and Macedonia in Europe.
In Asia it was Manchukuo, Filipino Republic & the State of Burma.
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Posted 03/03/2010   12:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Carpatho-Ukraine also known as Ruthenia populated with ethnic Ukrainians, was the far eastern segment of Czechoslovakia. It would declare it's independence from Czechoslovakia on March 14 create a constitution on the March 15, and on March 16, overrun and annexed by Hungary, not the Soviet Union as I previously misspoken. Although by the conclusion of WW2 this territory remained with the Soviet Union and not returned to the newly reinstated Czechoslovakia.

The single issue for this country once listed in Scott between Bohemia & Moravia & Slovakia. I don't know when the change occurred but by 1996 Scott it was moved into the main Czechoslovakia listings as #254B. Please note that the Carpatho-Ukraine was established as an autonomous state within Czechoslovakia in 1938 as a result of the Munich Agreement. This stamp was issued to commemorate the inauguration of the Carpatho-Ukraine Diet on March 2, 1939 and was issued on March 15, 1939. Later listing in Scott states that this stamp was also issued in Prague, but intented for that region.
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Posted 03/03/2010   12:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is the stamp under discussion..."used" means a commemorative red cancel, according to Scott.



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Posted 03/03/2010   01:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jubilee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My ancient SG Part 5 Czechoslovakia and Poland lists this stamp in the Czechoslovakia listings and says:

"No 393c was put on sale in Prague and Chust but was withdrawn the following day when Prague was occupied and could only be used postally in Chust. The used price is for stamp on cover"

I don't have a recent SG, but the online catalogue has it at Ł10 mint and Ł65 used, and states that the used price is for CTO. I would deduce from this that covers were either forgeries, or are extremely rare.
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Posted 03/03/2010   02:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, guys.
And the image, Collin.
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Posted 03/03/2010   02:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add laswabbie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That geographic region is probably one of the least known to Americans (and maybe others as well). Great history lesson and a great explanation as to why "manufacturing" borders by treaty very seldom works. There are way to many ethnic and cultural enclaves split into pieces.

A modern example is the Kurds of northern Iraq, Iran, etc.
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Posted 03/03/2010   10:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cjd, Thanks for that image!
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Posted 03/03/2010   6:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Although my catalogue fails to expose the engraver,
It looks to me like the work of Bohumil Heinz
I love the work of this engraver, if anyone has a Czech collection,
and has a decent image of
SG2764 (1984) T0789 01k b heinz engraver
it would be appreciated.

Heinz did some marvelous work for De La Rue
for some reason he did not sign all his work, which is very disappointing.
His capture of Ernest Hemingway is one of the best
engravings I have ever seen.



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Posted 03/03/2010   7:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As far as you know, is that a self-portrait on SG2764?

C.
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Posted 03/03/2010   7:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have never seen the face close up on the stamp Collin.
Going by the thumbnail image on Google, I would guess
from his expression that this was taken from a photograph
taken sometime in his 40's.
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Posted 03/03/2010   8:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think he died in 1940. Here is a detail of the head:



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Posted 03/04/2010   04:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Collin,
where is the image from?

Striking resemblance to David Jannsen in "The Fugitive"
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