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Posted 03/18/2010   11:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add lucky to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have several stamped covers that have a vertical and horizontal line drawn on them.

Here's an example of one that I have:


Why are those lines drawn? Do all Countries do this or only certain ones? Does the color used to draw the line mean anything (I've come across different colors on other covers)? Any help with the why's & what-for's would be great.

Thanks
Lucky
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Posted 03/18/2010   11:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nr-notrare to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Kathy......


The blue lines are there so that postal workers worldwide could easily recognize that the covers are registered covers. I'm not sure about the red lines......possibly indicates express mail.










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Posted 03/18/2010   11:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent question Lucky.

It is a carry over from times long past when letters were sealed with string and wax as a guarantee that they had not been opened or read.

Ergo:

On the Origins of Registered Post—by Ibn Khaldûn (1332-1406)

Ibn Khaldûn, the Arab philosopher, historian and politician, was born in Tunis in 1332. His major
work is the Muqaddimah or An Outline of History, from which the following translation is taken.


On the origins of registered Post:

"It is also possible to impress a seal upon some soft substance, so that the letters of the legend
appear on that substance, and to place the substance (with the seal impression) on the knots (of the
strings with) which letters are tied, and upon places for deposits (such as storehouses, strong boxes,
etc.). The first to introduce the sealing of letters, that is, the use of signature, was Mu'âwiyah. He
also introduced the ministry of the seal. It is composed of the secretaries who see to it that the letters
of the ruler are expedited and sealed, either by means of a signature, or by tying them. Letters are
tied either by piercing the paper and tacking (the letter) together (with string), as is the custom of the
secretaries of the Maghrib, or by glueing the top of the sheet to the part of the letter over which the
top is folded, as is the custom of the people in the East. Over the place where the letter is pierced
and tacked, or where it is glued, a signature is placed. It guarantees that the letter has not been
opened and that its contents have not been read. The people of Maghrib place a piece of wax where
the letter is pierced and tacked, and seal it with a seal upon which some signature is engraved for
use in sealing, and the engraving is impressed upon the wax. In the old dynasties of the East, the
place where the letter was glued was also sealed with an engraved seal that was put into a red paste
of clay prepared for that purpose. The engraving of the seal was impressed upon the clay. Under the
Abbâsid dynasty, this clay was called 'sealing clay'. (The use of) the seal was peculiar to the ministry
of correspondence. In the Abbâsid dynasty, it belonged to the wazir. Later on, custom differed. It
went to those who were in charge of (official) correspondence and the office of the secretaries in the
(various) dynasties. In the Maghrib, people came to consider the seal ring as one of the royal marks
and emblems. They made artistic seal rings of gold inlaid with gems of hyacinth (ruby), turquoise,
and emerald. The ruler according to their custom wore the seal ring as an insignia."

http://www.the153club.org/khaldun2.html

I am unsure of the significance of the colours, but here is an Aussie printed:






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Edited by rod222 - 03/18/2010 7:44 pm
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Posted 03/18/2010   11:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dianne Earl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great question lucky. I learn so much here.

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Posted 03/18/2010   11:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, some lovely covers there nr-notrare,
drool material, the Zanzibar is a doozy.
I wonder where I have heard of George Herzog before?
a famous collector/dealer?

On that Brit reg cover "DO" pops up again
WCDO= West central DO , West Central District Office?
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Edited by rod222 - 03/18/2010 11:49 am
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Posted 03/18/2010   11:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is what Linn's Refresher Course on postal stationery has to say:

Intersecting perpendicular blue lines are an international symbol for registered mail. In the 19th and early 20th centuries, these lines were usually drawn in blue crayon. Modern registered mail envelopes bear printed perpendicular intersecting blue lines.

A reminder to anyone who hasn't checked it out...the Linn's website has the collected Refresher Course columns as a free benefit, whether you subscribe or not...check the dropdown menu...

[Edit...I took the easy way out...I should have posted a link:

http://linns.com/howto/refresher/rc.aspx ]
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Posted 03/18/2010   11:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
drool material


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Posted 03/18/2010   1:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nr-notrare to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Rod......


Did you notice we tied entry times on our posts ??

Herzog was a fairly famous stamp dealer on Nassau St, N.Y. from th 30's, 40's & 50's.

And.....I do love my Zanzibar cover......registered airmail to Tanganyika Territory......bet you won't see too many like this.
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Posted 03/18/2010   2:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's the sharpest Zanzibar cover I've seen outside the pages of a glossy auction catalog.

Collin
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Posted 03/18/2010   2:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nr-notrare to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Collin......


I think so too.....I found it a few years ago listed as a buy-it-now for just $9.00 !-------shipping included !
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Posted 03/18/2010   3:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod, Herzog might have been. If you look at the address it is "68 Nassau St." in NYC. At one time Nassau St. was arguably the Stamp Collecting capital of the Country.
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Posted 03/18/2010   5:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lucky to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice covers nr-notrare.
Thank you everyone for the info. Heres a couple more covers I have with what I now know to be "Registered Marks".





And since Rod222 brought up the interesting stuff about wax seals I figured I would show one that I have.

Front of cover


Back of cover


and close-up of wax seal


This is the only cover I have with a wax seal and the man it is addressed to is Dr. Jay Arthur Myers. Funny thing is, I just posted a topic today with a scan of another cover addressed to him along with a bunch of interesting stuff about Dr. Myers and his life. If you are into the history of people who lead amazing lives you should check it out. I posted it in the world covers section (Hmmm, I think thats where I put it...)

Thanks again.

Lucky
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Edited by lucky - 03/18/2010 5:59 pm
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Posted 03/18/2010   7:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I hope you don't mind me mentioning it,
but I think "Lucky" suits you.

Some of the material you are showing us is classy stuff, certainly not "run of the mill" .
Did you inherit a family heirloom perhaps?
Whatever you do, treat it with love and care and respect, I think the covers deserve in to be archival plastic envelopes.
...and be gentle with the wax seal

Thanks for sharing with us.
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Posted 03/18/2010   7:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Hand made Registration Labels BCOF:



Registration labels from Stamp Exhibition:
(Should also be in London Bus's Exhib Ephemera thread as well)



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Posted 03/18/2010   8:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nr-notrare to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kathy.....

Nice covers......just so you know.......the label with the R is a registry label.


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Posted 03/18/2010   9:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lucky to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Both the Ceylon and the Trinidad covers have registered labels (sometimes referred to as etiquettes?)as well as registered marks (registered marks = blue lines drawn on the covers) Yes-No-Maybe-So????

After reading the replies regarding what the blue lines represent, and why they draw the blue lines marking the covers I just assumed that those blue lines would be referred to as "registered marks". Well, the person in charge of the "Let Lucky know the Lingo" must have decided to play hookie from the forums today. Now I'm never going to know the correct name to use when refering to the blue lines drawn on the covers. (Tee-hee)

Everyone here is so friendly and helpful. Thanks for making this a place to learn and have a good time.

Lucky
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