Regarding Israeli Tabs

Hi,

I am starting to get into Israeli stamps and I am in the midst of sorting through a fairly large pile of stamps. I have absorbed my pervious lessons here regarding tabbed versus non-tabbed Israeli stamps, but I would like to get some further clarification on a number of points.

Firstly, Can I assume that the following is a "proper" Israeli stamp with a tab and as such most collectors would not look askance at it?




Next, I see that if the stamp was located at the edge of the pane, there is selvage to the side, and then to the lower corner of the stamp, but that this selvage does not appear to generally contain any design. Is this selvage to be expected for Israeli stamps, or does it fit into selvage we might find in US stamps? That is, a matter of opinion and taste, but generally not a function of the market's expectation and pricing?





Lastly, we have some stamps from the top to the bottom of a pane, taken on the side of the pane, with the design tab at the bottom, the selvage as described above, plus the selvage from the top of the pane, typically with a plate number (?). How does this fit into the schema for israeli stamps?





Sorry to be so pedantic with the questions but I am about to start mounting into some albums of my own design and I'd like to get things as right as can be.

-Larry

Larry,

First question;
Yes, this an Israel stamp with Tab, the 1966 New Year Festivals. A set of 4.

Second;
Most Israel Comemmoratives are issued in sheets of 10 or 15. So while you are talking about a pane, this is actually from a sheet, in this case, a sheet of 10. The plate number is often next to the right hand corner stamp, in the Margin, NOT the selvedge.
So what you have is a Plate Number single.

Terminology;
The terminology when talking about Israel stamps is quite important and specific. Selvedge, or selvage is the plain 'margin' under the decorative Tab,under the bottom row of stamps. Many Israel issues up to the Mid/Late sixties had a selevdge under the Tab and is commonly known as a stamp with 'Full Tab'. A stamp without selvedge but with Tab is known as a stamp with 'part or half tab'. Everything else that borders the stamp is called the margins.

Thirdly;
Your vertical pair is from Plate 176. The top stamp has the Running Stag in the margin. Most Sheets have this Post Office Logo. The numbers at the top are the date the sheet was printed, in this case June 8th 1966. This not the issue date however. [24/8/66].
Further to the left would be the sheet number [not on your pic].

Hope this helps,

Londonbus1....Wot ! No gold !

Londonbus,

Thanks very helpful.

I think I've got it and what I think I am taking away is that the various margins that might be present are perhaps quite similar to ordinary selvage in US stamps, in terms of collectablity. Nice, perhaps interesting, but not "essential". Whereas the tab is essential and the margin below the tab being "almost essential".

-Larry

I think you mean most essential !

The value of a Stamp with part or half tab, is the same as for a stamp without Tab !!
Never remove the selvedge from a tabbed stamp !!
Period !



Good Larry, our new Israel stamp collector !

Michael,

Thanks, that exactly the clarity I needed. I promise not to remove any margins beneath any tabs, ever.

-Larry

(I am really impressed by the beauty of many of these Israeli stamps. Like the ones I scanned, the silver/gold colors just jump off the paper, something a scan doesn't show)

(I've also seen that a specialized catalog is essential, (I'm using the Bale) because Scott doesn't have enough detail with which to id a stamp I'm unfamiliar with.)

Idhaber - WARNING!

Be very, very careful when dealing with LondonBus1. He will go to the ends of the earth to get you interested in Israel. He'll send you a few pieces as a 'taste' to get you hooked, then you'll be spending your food money on sheets, etc.

he got me hooked six or eight months back and I've left the rest of my collections suffering from loneliness since.

BTW - with you about the beauty of Israeli stamps. Their material from maybe the 1990's to date is very intricate and quite beautiful. that's what got me hooked.

I use Scott's Specialized albums and I am pretty persnickety about the look, so always remove the selvage (never the tab, whether one or two piece) on the stamps I mount. Some may disagree, but that's what makes collecting so great - no one, even my wife, can tell me how to collect!

Go eat Laswabbie, I am sure I can find another buyer for those two sheets I put aside for you !

Londonbus1.....and those two sheets I haven't shown you yet !

Swabbie, you'll save on Paypal fees if you just have your paycheck direct deposited in londonbus' account.

(It hurts a bit to cut out the middleman when that middleman is you.)

Too late.

I've already obtained from him the Jerusalem of Gold s/s and I think I'm hooked.

Uh . . . I wasn't really talking about you London. Did you get that from my post? I was talking about . . . some other guy.

That is an exceptionally nice piece. That's how . . . the other guy . . .got me also!

....now where on earth did I put that envelope with Laswabbie's name on.

Londonbus1...it's around here somewhere.....unless....

Good advice !

I am sending you my bank details.

Londonbus1....I think I found that envelope, didn't I Larry? Oops!

Hello All,
I have recently just expanded my stamp collection to Israel Tab singles. I have read this entire topic, but still have a question. If I remove the blank margin from the side of a tab single, would it decrease its market value? I've attached a photo of the stamp I am concerned about.



Thanks in advance!

-Everett

Hi Everett

Just replied on your other thread !

Good luck

Londonbus1