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Posted 09/18/2010   10:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Edwin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Drying books... Are they all the same? anything I should look for?

I just did a bunch of floating that part went well, however the drying not so much. my stamps stuck to everything and I'm having to re-soak them, a few are on their 3rd and final try. I'm afraid I'm going to start damaging them.

I tried paper, cardboard, paper towels, and index cards they were pressed and dried for 24 hrs, each time 1/3 to 1/2 stuck to all types of paper. I'm giving up and looking for a good drying book...

Suggestions?
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Posted 09/18/2010   10:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redbus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I used the Desert Magic II Drying Book by Showgard. I am quite happy with it.
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Posted 09/18/2010   10:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add XNBer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have had success with those Sham-wow sheets that Vince advertises so well on TV.

You can also get a knock-off version of them at the Dollar Store that also work.

A look around the $ store will also provide you with other absorbing materials that work okay.

Since the sham-wow and the imitation are made of some sort of miracle fabric, there is always the possibility the perfs will stick to the fibres.

Be careful removing the dried stamps because of that occasional sticking to the fibres.

While you are at the Dollar Store, look for moisture-absorbing containers and similar stuff.

They are great for soaking up humidity from your stamp storage areas.

Handy things for avoiding stamps stuck to whatever.

Yes, I get a commission from the Dollar Store........Mention my name and they will sell you whatever you want at the regular price.
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Posted 09/18/2010   10:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add modern_who to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What were the stamps? Occasionally you'll run into something that doesn't wash well, but 1/3 to 1/2 sticking?

I have a couple of Desert Magic books as well and if used properly, sticking is not a problem, even the worst of gums breaks loose from the special, plastic coating, though it might leave a gloss on the back of the stamp.
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Posted 09/18/2010   10:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Edwin, it is simple and cheap.

Requirements:
1.Old book
2.2 sheets of A4 copy paper
3. Pkt of Freezer bags

Place your damp stamp face up (pat dry with tea towel)
on the freezer bag which is on 1 sheet of A4
Place a A4 sheet on top.

Place the sandwich in an old book and leave for 5 days

They will come out as flat as a halibut, and GUARANTEED
not to stick, even a wet full gum stamp will not stick
Self stick stamps will stick but can be lifted off easily
for re soaking
I employ this method and wash 1000 stamps at a time

Good Luck



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Posted 09/19/2010   01:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi! Edwin

We also use Desert Magic drying books and are very happy with them.

At the present time we are soaking the worst of Australia decimal self adhesive stamps, being the 55c era.
Firstly all stamps must have the gum removed totally or the process is just not going to work.
With our drying books full of stamps I tried just using a news paper and 3 days later the stamps were no different than the drying books.

The mention of gum on stamps getting stuck in the drying process really concerns me! This should not happen at all and would suggest that the way in which the stamps are being taken off paper is the real issue here. To see if all the gum is off the stamp should be a very easy to do. It is one of the most important issues in taking stamps off paper is to make totally sure that no gum remains.

One of the best things about soaking stamps is at any stage we can stop soaking and save the stamps by letting them dry out again.

Please do not give up on soaking Edwin. It will all sort itself out with a bit more practice. It is not the easiest thing to do but you will get the hang of it all.

Happy stamping John!
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Posted 09/19/2010   03:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The way to check a gummed stamp that all the gum has been removed in the floating process is to feel the back of the stamp as it comes out of the water, if it is slippery then gum is present. Very gently wipe it off with a finger in water, starting in the middle of the stamp and working to the edges. If there is any resistance when feeling the back of the stamp the gum is gone. Be extremely gentle when rubbing the back of the stamp. The stamp is easily destroyed in this state.

With Australian self adhesive stamps, if the gum is not removed from the back of the stamp you can see the gum clearly. It takes on the appearance of a lump on the back of the stamp.

That is the way it works for me. Back to my stamps. KGV!
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Posted 09/19/2010   12:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
i got a desert magic book in on Friday.. 8.99 shipped.
It works incredibly well.

Highly recommend it.
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Posted 09/19/2010   1:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mark296 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How many stamps will the desert magic book hold?
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Posted 09/19/2010   2:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ldhaber to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Newspaper.

First a short quick dry of around one hour. Gets rid of the really excess moisture.

Then transfer stamps to fresh newspaper, weighted down by a heavy pane of glass.

Stamp emerge dry and flat.

No, I have never picked up any ink for the paper.

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Posted 09/19/2010   3:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
How many stamps will the desert magic book hold?


I have an 8 inch by 11-1/2 inch Desert Magic book. It has an absorbent page at either end to catch excess moisture and provide a 'soft' flattening surface. When I first got the book I couldn't understand why they had the 'extra pages' in the book.

It has, in between these, 8 sets of one thick absorbent page and one special flat treated page that is gum-sticking-to-it resistant. some newer stamps do seem to stick a bit but they do peel off. Just be patient.

I had some sstamps in the book so just removed them and counted them. Each page realistically holds about 25-30 rectangular shaped 1930's - 1970's era Canada / USA / World stamps. So total 240 stamps +/-.

I say realistically because packed close together you could get 36-40++ stamps per page in there. But you are dealing with wet, fragile stamps that want to grab onto the page and are hard to lift off again, pointy tongs and steady hand or not. Some days you may get more, some days when you are in a rush or tired or distracted, you may get less.

I am dying to try Rod's freezer bag method but have not got around to acquiring the needed materials as of yet.



I agree with KGV John that there is a problem with total gum removal before drying and pressing happens. Make sure you soak long enough so the gum is removed and do the fingers in the water rubbing the backs of the stamps thing. Only way to tell. Become one with your stamps. Do the mind meld Spock thing.

Although, you may be floating / soaking older stamps that you have suspicions about whether the ink is aniline (water based) or not. Most stamps are OK in the water, just not too warm (never hot) or cold. Lukewarm. I don't know if the catalogues actually tell one what inks are used or warn one about such things. Good idea to, if they don't do it now.

And put the whole stamp in the water, unless you do have suspicions about the ink or if the paper it is adhered to is coloured. Cleans the stamp up a bit.

And don't just use one bath of clean water for the stamps. I carry my little plastic drawer tray over to a sink and carefully pour out the water while holding the stamps in (use a screen over the drain if you want) and then fill with cold water and dump and fill again and carry back to the table to pick the stamps out.

Good balance exercise. (Don't let anybody see you do this.)

Or, if I'm lazy, or feeling tidy that day, I put a bucket next to the table, dump the water in that and pour a bottle of new tap water into the tray to help rinse the stamps. Give them a swish around with the bent spade tongs a gentle bit or use fingers again (keep towel handy).

They really need more than one rinse but what if you don't have a second bottle of water? What if you've drank it waiting for the stamps to soak and pondering your next acquisition? Well . . .

Or, if you keep a clean bowl of water next to the soaking area, you can dip the stamps in that, if you are pretty sure they are clean of gum and dirt. There may be bits of hinges or paper or whatnot holding on to the stamp. A quick rinse at least will help to remove that.

A lot of these ideas of how to soak stamps seems to have to come with practice. I have read many times of soaking horror stories and about how to do it this way and that way and to tell the truth I am lazy and sometimes skip steps. Well, then I learn the hard way that I shouldn't have.

Not always, not every time did I do something so bad I can't bear remembering it, but once or twice. Then you are there cringing and staring in amazement at the darn stamp or water or tongs or the chair you are sitting in that has somehow caused this thing to surprisingly happen. Finally you admit to yourself that the thing was your fault and you should have known. But you will remember this because people remember more the things which have emotions attached to them.
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Posted 09/19/2010   4:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tomiseksj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ed,

I've thought about purchasing a drying book but just haven't gotten around to it yet. In the meanwhile, I soak and rinse as others have described above.

To dry the stamps, I use baking sheets with two layers of paper towels placed in them. Once the stamps have been rinsed thoroughly, I lay them face down on the paper towels to dry, which usually takes between 24- to 36-hours.

After they are completey dry (many will be wilted) I lay them out between pages of a book and then place some weight on top of it. After about 2 or 3 days, I remove the then-flattened stamps.

Steve
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Posted 09/19/2010   4:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Another hand for Desert Magic here. They are long-lasting too. My first one lasted about 16 years !!
So on my second one now. I soak in the evening, and by morning, all the stamps are flat and dry.
Good value for money I'd say.

Londonbus1.....not worth very much
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Posted 09/19/2010   5:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Edwin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to all weighted in on floating and drying, those little red pennys and the 1/2 cents I was scanning for rod are all stuck down along with some others. KGV was correct it was residual gum, I was scared and unsure if I could rub my finger on the backs I tried thinking back as a kid but I think my dad and grandfather always did this part alone, it seems so simple yet very costly if I did it wrong so I figured it sounded like a dumb question but I better ask you all. I got no one else to ask..

anyone ever use Wax Paper?

today I bought this for the sake of my stamps. got it off ebay...

Stamp Drying Book II by Showgard Large
This is the larger version made especially for collectors requesting a higher capacity drying book. The "Desert Magic" Drying System utilizes a special release paper with heavy blotting pages. The release paper will not permit stamps, even those with problem gums like PVA to adhere to the drying surface. The absence of plastic interleaves shortens the time traditionally needed to dry stamps. . Measures 8" x 12' and contains 7 blotters with 6 release pages.
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Posted 09/19/2010   6:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mark296 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the lesson on soaking stamps. I am learning every day.
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Posted 09/19/2010   8:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add modern_who to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
anyone ever use Wax Paper?


Yes, the wax paper basically acts as a release paper like the freezer bags also do. I would put the stamps face up on the wax paper, cover with a layer of paper towels, and place this in a folded newspaper, with some weight on the newspaper. You don't need too much weight.

With the drying books, you don't really need any weight at all.

Wax paper is a one-shot deal, it's not reused. Have also used stiff plastic sheets of the kind that were three hole punched (the old style page protectors). Today's softer, plastic page protectors should also work.

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Edited to make an important correction: FACE UP not face down.
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Edited by modern_who - 09/20/2010 03:14 am
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