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Chunk Of Debris Smushed Under Fiume Overprint

 
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Posted 07/04/2025   6:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Ellie88 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I wanted to share this oddity I found recently. A chunk of debris that got squished into a Fiume stamp under the overprint. Would something like this hold any value?

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Posted 07/04/2025   8:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice. A keeper for sure.
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Posted 07/05/2025   01:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Value? Yes but how much is the question. It will take Fiume collector interest in this wonderful Freak (the F of EFO) or collectors who collect debris examples without regard to the issue. Do not "play with the stamp nor debris, you want it to stay affixed. EDIT: The term for such things, be it paper, thread or flying insects is "foreign matter."

If on a US issue the value would easily be north of $50, perhaps into three figures as I know of no such debris captures upon the correctly printed stamp image but under an overprint.

As with all such things they are scare, rare or unique but the value is not driven by scarcity but by collector demand.
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Edited by Parcelpostguy - 07/05/2025 02:35 am
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Posted 07/05/2025   02:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I completely agree with previous posters. It is a great addition to a collection of the area or printing varieties. Being one-of-a-kind it, also, is a niche area. Demand will be very low for such an item.

Unless someone really wants it, the financial value may be surprisingly low. Usually, uniqueness is not sufficient for an item to be valuable. There, also, should be an "icon" status or the item should stand in the way of "completion" of a collection to add much value.
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Posted 07/05/2025   03:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ellie88 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do not intend to sell it, I was just curious if such an oddity would have value, either collection value, or historical value, monetary value always comes last for me, but I was curious about that too. I found it in a lot of MNH Fiume stamps. I really like it because it is the only thing like it I have ever seen.
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Posted 07/05/2025   04:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alka2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,

according to the Ivan Martinas' catalogue the overprint and the stamp itself don't seem to be genuine,see for example 'the halo with completed lines' described in the catalogue.
Am I right?
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Posted 07/05/2025   05:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@alka2, you might want to go into more detail. I doubt many people will have access to the catalogue you mention. Unless the basic stamp is very valuable, I very much doubt any forger would go through the trouble of first forging a common stamp, then damaging it, and, finally, forging an overprint.
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Posted 07/05/2025   05:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ellie88 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can post the others from the same lot if you'd like. I highly doubt it is a forgery, but I wouldn't have the expertise to be sure. I would imagine that such a flaw would only happen in a mass printing scenario. The stamp comes from a lot of stamps I recently bought, including a decent amount of Fiume stamps, with and without overprints.
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Posted 07/05/2025   07:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The rays in the halo are a dead giveaway that the stamp is a forgery thus the overprint is a forgery in which case the EFO is either contrived or poor QC by the forger.

http://bigblue1840-1940.blogspot.co...rgeries.html
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Posted 07/05/2025   08:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ellie88 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is every other italian stamp from the same lot. They are all MNH. Do you think they are all forgeries? I did think the sizing variety and different perforations was weird, but I assumed they were just genuine variations. As forgeries, should I expect that the EFO in question is no longer collectable?



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The rays in the halo are a dead giveaway that the stamp is a forgery thus the overprint is a forgery in which case the EFO is either contrived or poor QC by the forger.

http://bigblue1840-1940.blogspot.co...rgeries.html

That is unfortunate. I would still keep it, and just make sure to note that it could possibly be a "unique" forgery.
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