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Has Anyone Heard From The APS About The Current Boston Judging Fiaso And Comments On S C F?

 
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Posted Yesterday   3:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
My guess if we were still in the Scott English APS era, we would have heard from the APS Executive Director by now regarding the SCF Topic: https://goscf.com/t/91432 .

Are they even aware of the conversation here (there)?

It would be sad if all we heard was the sound of a broom and the slap of a rug hitting the floor regarding Boston 2026.

Edit: Made two letters capital as is proper in the title.
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Posted Yesterday   6:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I suggest that no one should hold their breath while waiting. It's going to take some serious shaking up of the powers that be to even get a pretense of information.
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Posted Yesterday   7:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The APS should have some road map to an answer since odd judging issues have been dealt with previously per Ken.


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Ken Lawrence

Bad judging history

I no longer have access to the confidential minutes of my time on the APS Board of Directors, but I recall the furor after an APS StampShow jury chaired by Charles Verge gave exhibits by Verge's friend and colleague Ron Brigham both the Champion of Champions Award and the StampShow Grand.
Janet Klug was so angry that she proposed and the Board adopted strict rules that forbade APS certified judges from scoring or voting on exhibits in which they had been involved, requiring them to declare any such ties to exhibitors, requiring them to recuse themselves, and penalizing any certified judge who was found to be in violation.
If those rules are still in effect, that might give APS additional authority to investigate and take action against Boston 2026 violators.
Besides the controversy over the Grand Prix National, I'm told that the Boston jury reduced the scores and awards of several exhibits (Large Gold down to Gold, etc.)
When I was an FIP judge, that was all but forbidden. Whenever a scoring team reported a score lower than an exhibit had received previously, the team was compelled to justify it to the presidium, and the presidium had to agree.
Reasons might be that the previous score was a mistake, shown by specific evidence, or the exhibitor might have changed the exhibit in a way that diminished it. But the presidium had to be convinced, and seldom was convinced. I wonder whether that rule remains in effect.
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Posted Yesterday   7:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rules only work when someone in power enforces them. I am not convinced at this moment that this will happen. I hope it does.
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I am not sure Scott English would actually be doing anything different at this point other than politically oriented public comments.

From what I read, there is no fixing FIP but I am sure those high end exhibiting seeking glory want FIP's prestige.
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Apparently you did not see the exhibits in question. They need no one to give them prestige, they had it all by themselves. FIP would be the ones getting prestige by admitting they are biased at best or crooked at worst.
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I appreciate Scott Trepel's comments on Frajola's board; his threatening to resign his APS membership should hopefully get their behinds in to gear on this one.

As others have said, APS leadership needs to move quickly on this. Don't let it fester as they're doing right now.
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I am not sure Scott English would actually be doing anything different at this point other than politically oriented public comments.


I'm not an APS public figure anymore, just a life member. There's no need for me to catch your speculative strays, Al.

You're not sure, so maybe sit it out. That's the problem with some of these boards. People with a grain of knowledge turn it into expertise.

I was committed to being transparent, and I was to a fault. If you or anyone else didn't like the answers, I can't help you.

To the point, I have no knowledge of what happened, other than what I have read. My guess is that it's not as black-and-white as it seems, but I wouldn't stake my life on predicting an outcome.

It's been 11 months since I was Executive Director of the APS. I went to a little MSDA stamp show last week in Wisconsin. It was good to catch up with folks again, and I heard good things about Boston otherwise.

Best to everyone.
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