Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Thousands of stamps, consistently graded, competitively priced and hundreds of in-depth blog posts to read








Stamp Community Forum
 
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Help With A 1 Cent Franklin From The Philippines

Previous Page
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Replies: 25 / Views: 555Next Topic
Page: of 2
Pillar Of The Community
562 Posts
Posted Yesterday   2:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think the fantasy explanation can't be ruled out, and it's the most economical answer, but it has a flaw: it's based solely on the rarity of the stamp, without any solid red flag to draw on. Nor could it explain why the cancellation mark is above the violet one (or so it seems...).
On the other hand, the option of a shipment from the US to the Philippines during the Spanish administration, as Zebraman suggests, seems more consistent with the fact that the violet mark was approved by the postal authority that issued it and could be below it. It's also consistent with the use of an archaic Spanish term in an Anglo-Saxon context to refer to the Spanish administration. It's just a theory, because I don't really know what the shipping process to the Philippines from the US was like at that time, but it is known that stamps related to the Philippines ended up bearing the black overprint "Philippines". Another detail, not entirely conclusive, but the stamp doesn't appear in Philippines or US; it appears in Spain among old abandoned albums, mainly containing Spanish stamps from the 1930s to the 1970s…
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by Murasama - Yesterday 3:05 pm
Bedrock Of The Community
12693 Posts
Posted Yesterday   4:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Two points:

Which marking is above or below the other is unknown. Even if the violet marking was underneath, it still proves nothing.

More importantly, the potential "overprint" being discussed is the most poorly proportioned "overprint" you could imagine since, as Partime's retroreveal shows, it spans beyond the perimeters of the base stamp. No postal authority or ad-lib postal person would be so unthoughtful IMO.

And finally, there is the 2020 HR Harmer sale, The Julian Cabarrus Collection of the Philippines, which is a stunning and thorough collection of Philippines overprinted material. It has no such animal as the OP's stamp and if Mr. Cabarrus did not have it than it doesn't exist.

https://stampauctionnetwork.com/HA/HA3034.cfm

This is a s-t-r-e-t-c-h to say the least. Let's see if we can get ten more topic pages out of this.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Bedrock Of The Community
United States
10814 Posts
Posted Yesterday   5:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Forget the over or under argument. It's impossible to tell without a super clear enlarged image, such as the VSC6000. And even then it might not be possible for sure. There is already enough information about it here to think it a total fantasy.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
562 Posts
Posted Yesterday   6:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, given what I've seen, and grateful for the responses, I'll classify it as " fantasy by popular opinion", but I would have liked to see more conclusive evidence on whether the cancellation is above or below the purple mark. I've seen discussions on this forum where that kind of detail was distinguished with worse photos, and to say that it's not an important detail but not decisive is a mistake. For me, it would be, because it means the stamp was canceled with that purple mark, which, if it wasn't legal, shouldn't have happened... but if we consider the matter dead, then it remains just a theory, and that's it.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by Murasama - Yesterday 7:07 pm
Bedrock Of The Community
United States
10814 Posts
Posted Yesterday   7:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
People might have claimed it was distinguishable, but it probably wasn't. As was stated earlier, you can always send it for a certificate.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
4425 Posts
Posted Yesterday   8:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
but if we consider the matter dead, then it remains just a theory, and that's it.


You have the stamp, the matter is not dead UNLESS YOU refuse to get a certificate. No such thing as a certificate based on popular opinion.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
562 Posts
Posted Yesterday   8:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't mind getting it certified at all, but it's not easy for several reasons: I don't know the process, I don't know where to go, and it will most likely be difficult due to geographical distance. I'm not saying it can't be done; if it's within my means, I'd like to try.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
49 Posts
Posted Yesterday   10:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philatelius to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The only one of the expertization services I've used is the American Philatelic Society's APEX. Submitting an item for review was simple--there was a form to complete, then I mailed it and the item I wanted expertized to APS, and some time later they returned it with a certificate.

I presume the other big players in the US (PF, PSAG, PSE) probably operate on similar lines, but again, I haven't used them personally.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Bedrock Of The Community
12693 Posts
Posted Today  1 Hr 5 Min ago  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
But WHAT are they certifying? A stamp with no reference to cite.

We're approaching the 3rd page now and know that we could hit 10 with more work….
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Netherlands
6637 Posts
Posted Today  53 Min ago  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So, an unknown overprint on the wrong stamp and the overprint is not in English but in archaic Spanish at a time when Spanish stamps are inscribed "Filipinas." Also, the word is too long for the stamp.

Yet, we are wondering whether it is a legitimate overprint?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Page: of 2 Replies: 25 / Views: 555Next Topic  
Previous Page
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.

Go to Top of Page

Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2026 Stamp Community Forums
It took 0.15 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05