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Posted 11/19/2010   09:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add shareminator to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

Hello,
i received item in envelope with this big stamp, it is machin or not?
I canīt find it in Scott.
thank you for reply
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Posted 11/19/2010   09:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AnthonyUK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That is a type 1 Machin horizon security label.
These are clerk printed labels for various parcel services.
I have quite a few unused se-tenant pairs.

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Edited by AnthonyUK - 11/19/2010 09:42 am
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Posted 11/19/2010   09:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampgal to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Its a label produced by the PO teller at the time of posting. These have replaced the plain white labels. There have been a couple of threads on these in the last couple of months.
Its obviously the machin image, but its a label not a stamp, I can't answer your question as to cataloguing. I'm sure someone else will be able to!
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Posted 11/19/2010   12:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Shareminator

Odd that you posted this thread in here now. I say this because just yesterday, I too got one on a parcel from Scotland. He sent me a flag and that is what he used on his mail to me. Glad he did too.

It is more a label than a stamp and I would not be surprised if Scott.s does not intend to list these. However, it is still a good piece of Machin 'collertaral' material nonetheless.

Not sure if it will soak either so, I intend to keep mine on piece until I find out one way or the other.

Chimo

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Posted 11/19/2010   3:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AnthonyUK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Do not soak it at least not in water.
If you want to remove it treat it like a self adhesive and use a naptha based white fuel such as Coleman camping fuel.
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Posted 11/19/2010   4:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for that information Anthony. I had my suspicions about the label. Will keep it on piece anyway - it didn't cost me anything <G>

Chimo

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Posted 11/19/2010   6:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add David King to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These are used for labels on items valued 88p and above (don't ask me why that's tghe minimum - the post office clerk who explained to me said me didn't have a clue!)

How did you get the unused pairs, AnthonyUK? The guy here refused to sell me them without me paying 88p for a cancellation!

And definitely don't soak it, Bujutsu - I'm not even sure naphtha will work, I got nowhere with my first copy and ended up ruining it. It seems to be the same adhesive as is now used on the 1st and 2nd class machins.

I think it will in due course be listed by Stanley Gibbons, as they have included similar "picture labels" eg the Sans Soucis from Germany. And whether it's a label or a stamp, I'm certainly going to include it in my machins collection - but on paper.
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Posted 11/19/2010   10:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I definately won't soak it just to be on the safe side. My friend in Scotland who sent me the flag is a specialist on Machins and he tells me that the Gibbons Concise catalog should someday have that stamp (label) listed.

Chimo

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Posted 11/20/2010   01:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AnthonyUK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi David,
I asked at a post office counter and the woman gave me a stack of them.
The minimum value is 0.00p as they can be used for mail order returns - code MOR but for paid usage it is 81p.
Coleman fuel works on all current self adhesives including these labels. I have used it.

Lots of horizon label info here - http://norphil.blogspot.com/search/...izon%20label
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Posted 11/20/2010   03:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add David King to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info, Anthony.

Amazing how little some postal clerks seem to know . . . I'll go and try to get hold of some today!
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Posted 11/20/2010   03:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
David

If your post office has the new printing, they will be Imperf and not Kiss Die-Cut perfs. If so, can you get one for me too ? I'll pay for it of course and all costs. But only if Imperf.

There is a great site for all Postage labels in great detail.

http://postagelabelsuk.com/?tag=machin

The link takes you to the Machin pages but look around, you will be pleasantly surprised.

Londonbus1
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Posted 11/20/2010   03:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
It seems to be the same adhesive as is now used on the 1st and 2nd class machins.



The giveaway are the security slits shown on Shareminator's scan.
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Posted 11/20/2010   06:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add novato to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello

So, we need collect this horizon labels one of each "code"? plus each "type font" of each code.

Maybe this labels are another example for a kind off "Box" collection

Fernando Moscoso
Ecuador
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Posted 11/20/2010   08:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AnthonyUK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some codes are much rarer than others and sell for ridiculous prices on eBay.
I think the most expensive I saw one go for was Ģ112.
It has died down a bit now but still mad.

http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-Gold-Horiz...em3a5ff8a16b
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Posted 11/23/2010   1:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add David King to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I tried to get the mint versions from a post office and a sub post office - blanket refusal! So if anyone manages to get hold of some, let me know and I'll trade!

And, novato, IMHO I wouldn't bother with different values, fonts etc - just differences in the printing of the basic stamp.
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Posted 11/23/2010   1:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AnthonyUK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi David,
I still have some of the unused ones if you want one.

Anthony
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