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Posted 02/06/2014   2:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes,

I do too!

Especially since I hadn't much material at all before 1924 collected. I am really starting to get back to the older stamps - Argentina 1882 onwards and Austria 1890 onwards - and I discover a lot!

The discussion on the Austria Forum about the 1945 Coat of Arms stamps forces me to get very critical of everything that had been written before. Traces [embossing] at the back of the stamp - or rather their lack of it - do NOT proof too much. The so-called typical outlines for typography may be ONE-sided only! And what does that tell us???

My main point of view is still the differences in paper structure...

British commonwealth stamps printed in typography on coated paper look like offset-printing - Malaya a.o. - and I am not sure it is just the result of the type of paper!

groetjes, Rein
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Posted 11/09/2015   11:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jorgesurcl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stamps printed in Typography

Switzerland 1924 - Printed in 2 colors



Germany 1928 - Printed in 4 colors

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Posted 11/12/2015   11:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jorgesurcl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Portugal 1934

First Portuguese Colonial Exhibition

Designed by Almada Negreiros
Engraved by Arnaldo Fragoso

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Posted 04/05/2016   10:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Even though Antonin Delzers is mainly known for
his steel engravings he also engraved a few
for typographic printing.

France Scott 219 1924

Pierre de Ronsard 1524-1585



France Scott 243 & 244 1927

Visit of American Legionnaires to France.



Also the Peace with Olive Branch definitive design
which was issued between 1932 until 1941.
Below is one of the values Scott 282.



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Posted 04/05/2016   11:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think that the beauty of typography, or letterpress stamps is a major reason why 19th century stamps have been, and always will be the most sought after items by stamp collectors. The Portuguese Colonial Exhibition set has always been one of my favorites. The 19th century De La Rue letterpress printings of Great Britain exemplify the skill and talent of the artist, designers, and printers. Supple line work is not printed quite as nicely with lithographic printings.

Here is a circa 1900 bicolor letterpress printing of a charity label by the Reichsdruckerei in Berlin, Germany.




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Posted 03/23/2018   6:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is another piece of typographic mastery. This Austrian cinderella was a charity label for the (ethnic) German Schools Association.


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The jury is still out on the Turkish Ay Yildiz Issues.
Scott still chooses Lithography,
I prefer Typography.

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Bob, roughly what year would that Grillparzer label be from?

To me it appears Jugentstil around 1900 or a bit later.
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Rod, looking at the corners with the excess ink makes me
think typography also.

Michel agrees with Scott that they were printed lithography but
they call these Steindruck (stone print) compared
to modern Offsetdruck.
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Posted 03/23/2018   9:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Lithograving, I agree. Every part of the design seems to indicate that period.

Rod, I think you are correct. The printing of the frame line and the small dots outside of it are certainly characteristic of letterpress printing.
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Thanks LG and Bob.

The curious thing, was reading a commentary this year, from a Philatelist owning a Vermeil in this stamp's study.

He had all sorts of trouble with establishing just what these were.
To the point of seeking out experienced printers for their opinion,
which both stated the decision was "difficult" but leant towards letterpress.

(I thought it screamed letterpress) but then I read Rein's comments in this post, and confirmed that letterpress not need leave an "indentation" from the die, so I was encouraged to keep with Letterpress.

The Philatelist's argument, was encouraged by 2 things.
1. marginal markings on Selvedge showed letterpress embossing .
2. Some stamps were evidenced as 'skewed" in a block of printed stamps, suggesting separate cliches in a forme.

I treat Lithography v Letterpress now, with added respect.
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Thanks for sharing your efforts in differentiating
between lithography and typography.

Shows how difficult it can be when even the experts
aren't sure.
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Yes, sometimes it is impossible to tell the difference between letterpress and planographic printing. Even if you view with magnification and use angled light, you cannot see the indentation that type-high printing leaves.

In the case of the Rod's Turkish stamp, the frame line is lighter in the middle and darker on the edges, which is characteristic of a line which is made with the pressure of a raised die. A completely flat limestone surface wouldn't print lines such as this. I can't believe that it is a lithographic printing.
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Posted 03/24/2018   05:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nethryk,



I am intrigued by the fine cross screen you will not find too often in stamps!
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