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Posted 04/15/2014   6:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Galeoptix to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
The name Waite Saville popped up in the context of recess printing of postage stamps of Czechoslowakia in the first place and now also for Mexico!



A sheet-fed press for recess printing!
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Canada
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Posted 04/15/2014   9:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rein , I understand the gist of what is in the article
but perhaps you could do a proper translation.

I see that you're on the Argentinian forum so your Spanish
must be quite good.
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United Kingdom
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Posted 04/16/2014   03:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 65170 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The correct name of the company is Waite AND Saville. I mention this only because it will help interested readers in finding information and pictures about the company online.

See website www.waiteandsaville.co.uk/ and also www.stampcommunity.org/go/li...-saville.php" target="_blank">http://crabtreevickers.co.uk/waite--saville.php

Other sites are also of interest, as you will see if you search "Waite and Saville".

GLENN
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Netherlands
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Posted 04/16/2014   05:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The majority of philatelists interested in the stamps of Mexico are worried about the great number of varieties that have appeared during decennia while the definitives were valid.

Thanks to the officials of the TIEV [Talleres de Impresion de Estampillas y Valores] of the Ministry of Finance and Public Funds, we have reviewed the specimens of the various printings of the stamps mentioned above as well as all other data to prepare this article, both paying attention to the machinery and the types of paper used.

The Printing House of the Ministry of Finance had been using the following printing presses for the definitives:

10 machines of the "WAITE" type, one "WIFAG" press and two "GOEBEL" presses.

The WAITE presses are flat-bed, do only produce recess-printed stamps, in printing sheets of 2 counter sheets of 30 for the Airmail or 2 counter sheets of 60 for the normal stamps. They have perforating blocks gauging 10 1/2 for the airmail stamps and 14 for the normal stamps, they are hand fed with sheets of paper, cut from reels into the size required. The reels of paper having the watermark "MEX-MEX" and the National Coat of Arms, in the horizontal direction. The sheets were subsequently fed into the machine and the stamps have a normal or up-side-down watermark. ...
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Posted 04/16/2014   05:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Lithograving,

my Spanish is not excellent! ;) I hope the part of the article concerning the Waite and Saville is better understood now.

What worries me is that the stamps that are supposed to have been printed on that press do NOT look like normal recess-printed stamps but rather like unscreened photogravure! I should write about this in a separate thread though...

groetjes, Rein
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Posted 04/17/2014   2:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the translation Rein.

Why would they need 10 "WAITE" type presses?
How many stamps was the TIEV printing ?
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Posted 04/17/2014   4:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Lithograving,

that is what amazes me as well! 10 Waite presses! For what and since when????


The 1-20p surface mail:



The 5c-20p Airmail:



The "grabados" suggests that it was in recess! And I do NOT but that....

groetjes, Rein
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Posted 04/17/2014   4:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 04/20/2014   3:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In the article in Spanish, it was mentioned clearly that the Waite press was sheet-fed!

However, several authors have their doubts!



These paper joints have no reason of existence if the Waite press was sheet-fed!

The old picture taken in the TIEV of the Waite presses - several of them indeed! - point to reel-fed presses!



The Facebook group on the Mexico 1950-1975 Definitives!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1413523198859633/#

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Posted 04/21/2014   02:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 65170 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
GALEOPTIX QUOTE: "These paper joints have no reason of existence if the Waite press was sheet-fed!"

RESPONSE: For sheet fed stamp presses, the stamp paper would invariably start life as a roll at the mill and then be sheeted by the paper convertor or the mill prior to shipping sheets of paper to the stamp printer. Joins can occur at the mill stage of production and this would explain why there can be a paper join in a sheet-fed stamp, but your photo clearly shows reel-fed W&S machines in this particular instance.

GLENN
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Edited by 65170 - 04/21/2014 03:07 am
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Posted 04/24/2014   02:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 65170 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Want to see the parts that go into a W&S Press? Go to http://www.waiteandsaville.co.uk/bookofparts.pdf for an 18 page PDF of spares!

GLENN
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Posted 04/26/2014   04:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On Printing of Czechoslovak Stamps with special reference to those printed by planography on Waite & Saville, Heim and Johnston die stamp print presses see pp. 131 - 133 of the November 1968 issue of the Czechoslovak Specialist on http://index.csphilately.org/1968_09_Nov.pdf

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Edited by florian - 04/26/2014 04:18 am
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Posted 04/26/2014   07:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Florian,

planographic means flat-bed here, whilst the WIFAG was using a cylinder [rotary!]; this apart from the fact that the stamp paper was sheet-fed and not reel-fed (or web-fed)....



pozdrawiam, Rein
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Posted 04/28/2014   03:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Galeoptix - Rein, I only wanted to point out that the Waite & Saville machines used in Czechoslovakia that you mentioned in your post of 04/15/2014 6:22 pm here were different from those used in Mexico.
Zdravím, Florián
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Posted 04/28/2014   09:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Florián,

I do hope they were VERY different, indeed!

There is still the unscreened photogravure - awfully similar to the 1930-1948 South African Pictorials - aspect to these Mexican stamps....

pozdrawiam, Rein
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