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A Hoard Of Belgium Precancels And Overprints (Image Heavy!)

 
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Posted 07/13/2014   11:04 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add revenuecollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
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I've always been drawn to Belgian precancels for some reason. I remember seeing them in various and sundry packets and mixtures as a child, marveling over their precise appearance.

Now decades later, I still find them attractive, and pull them out of any lots or collections I'm remaindering. I purchased the Randall International precancel catalog, amazed at the literally thousands of listings for the precancels of Belgium.

The lot below appeared on eBay and a few rounds of the Best Offer tango with the seller later, it was headed my way.

Even though it was sold as a lot of precancels, methinks some of the sections in it are not precancels:

1. Roller cancels. Yes these are postal, but I didn't think they were precancels.

2. Large "T" cancels (overprints?) in various colors on numerous stamp types. I believe these are postage due indicators. Not precancels.

3. A myriad of "-10%" overprints or cancels. These are apparently due to a postal rate change? Not precancels.

Presumably not very valuable, but a nice variety of items in one spot to compare and contrast. Some interesting split and multiple strikes.




















































































































































































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Posted 07/13/2014   11:25 am  Show Profile Check Battlestamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Battlestamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice collection. The "T" stamps are postage due stamp overprints. Some other European countries have these as well like Bulgaria. The -10% is a surcharge overprint when there was a postage rate reduction.
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Posted 07/17/2014   11:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add antwerpen2306 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There was a postage rate reduction of 10 % from 16 may 1946 till 14 december 1948 . Every post office had a reductionstamp , there are about 550 different types of reductionstamps.
There are a lot of precanceld stamps fron 1938 on.There also there is a lot of variation.In 1938 the indicated the mont of the year , so there are 12 different types , from 1939 on it was for 1 year or a period of 6 months , this until 1954.
From 1954 till 1963 the indicated 2 years : 1954/1955 , from 1963 only one year , from 1966 the symbol of the Belgian Post ,a posthorn.
There are precanceld stamps from 1894 with the name of a town and a year.
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Posted 07/17/2014   1:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
great collection - I'm sorry I missed this one!
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I agree; that is a nice collection. I have a few dozen Belgian pre-cancels that I hope to get around to merging into my main albums.....someday.

Couple thoughts: the Journaux cancel on some of your earliest items may indicate payment of postage for mailing newspapers. Also, there is a small Belgian lot in tomorrow's public auction at Michael Rogers Inc. (Lot #205). The description makes a reference to the so-called Van Acker minus 10% issues; also referenced by Albert, in his reply above. The description further says that the OBP catalogue may be needed, especially for the -10% issues. I assume that is a specialized Belgian catalogue. Happy stamping.
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Posted 07/17/2014   11:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EricBismarck to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think I saw this lot on eBay? - Wow - Jealous!

I love the -10% overprints. I have a few pages of them sorted out, and a nice selection of T overprints and precancels.

But this collection takes the cake!

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I have made scans of your stamps in my old catalogue from 2006 , so I think it will be easier for you.
first you find the 1946 stamps with 10 % reduction , I: lokale opdrukken = local overprint ,A:beeltenis :portrait of king B:LeopoldIII,type open collar C:Lion ,2 version French and Dutch ,D:the king same type with V and a crown before .
II:algemene opdrukken : overprints done in the printing office in Mechelen=Malines.
III: overprints from Gelligen :they printed the new value instead of -10%.
IV : other values with overprint .
For the precancels : before 1938 each postoffice made his own precancels with his name and tear , from 1938 on you find official precancels.First you have an image of the precanceled stamp , then the different stamps for every year . Then you have also different kinds of paper ( papier ) and gum (gom).
From 1986 to 1996 ther is a very nice collection of birdstamps .
About roller stamps : I do not know what it is : on your list is indicated in French : cancelling by the (Post Ofiice)Sanings bank made with a roller : I see if I can find any explanation on internet.
If you have some more linguistic problems,don't hesitate.
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Posted 08/03/2014   10:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add antwerpen2306 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
the roller cancels were used by the Post Office Savings bank since 1881 to cancel the stamps on the savingform
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While I certainly appreciate the effort you have gone through, those images are so tiny I cannot read anything in them, and since they are VERY heavily compressed, the JPEG artifacts are bad enough that I canot upsample the images.

I've tried all the tricks I know in Photoshop, but cannot get them to be easily readable.

Would it be possible to scan them at a higher resolution?

Thank you.
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I try today because I ame leaving Antwerp to-morrow for 2 weeks albert
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I hope this is better.
I think it is ok . I mail this first and later the rest
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ok now the scan of the precancels
I hope everything can be read now
here it is 9.30 pm , so good night
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Thank you very much!
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