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Posted 03/25/2018   6:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add modernstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the interesting photo of how the engraving is now done through a computer.
Are most of the stamps done this way, or are only high value stamps done this way?
Some stamps just look like photographs.
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Posted 03/25/2018   9:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi modernstamps

I appreciate your interest in this.

If by most you mean engraved then yes I believe computer
engraving is used by the printers in the few countries which
still issue engraved stamps.

Canadian Bank Note does or did (?). The whale stamp
was printed in 2010 and since then I believe Canada Post
issued only one more engraved.

Scott 2540 in 2012



France does , see Papy24's post above. Italy, Spain, Belgium maybe.
For Czechia & Slovakia I'm sure Florian would know.
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Posted 03/26/2018   2:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add modernstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi lithograving,
Thanks for your reply.
The engraved stamps look really nice.
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Posted 03/27/2018   08:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
lithograving - Czech (and Slovak) intaglio stamps are still hand-engraved but in Czechia as few as 2 stamps are to be printed in pure intaglio from flat plates on the Waite & Saville press in 2018.

The rest are to be either combination printings from a single flat plate on the Waite & Saville press combined with multicoloured offset (12 stamps) or rotary hand-engraved intaglio combined with photogravure on the WIFAG press (6 stamps).

On the other hand, as many as 19 stamps are to be printed in multicoloured offset on the Heidelberg Speedmaster in Czechia in 2018.
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Posted 03/27/2018   8:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Florian for that information.

I can only speculate but I think Czechia and France will
be the last countries to print engraved postage stamps.

Then again how many countries will still issue stamps
in 10 years?

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Posted 03/28/2018   07:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
lithograving - Besides France and Belgium (see http://goscf.com/t/9106&whichpage=233#528552 and your response to it http://goscf.com/t/9106&whichpage=233#528815 ), it is Italy and Spain as well that keep on issuing computer engraved stamps.

Italy issued 12 computer engraved stamps in 2015 but none in 2016 and 3 again in 2017.
These are the last 3 issued in 2015 as shown by http://www.wnsstamps.post/en/stamps...year%5D=2015





The other 3 computer engraved stamps were issued by Italy in 2017:




Spain issued 3 computer engraved stamps in 2017:


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Posted 03/28/2018   5:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So now we have computer engraved stamps from Belgium, Canada,
France, Italy, Spain plus those Austrian Etch-Art which
appears now to have been discontinued.http://goscf.com/t/28830&SearchTerm...ian,etch,art
Also these so-called engraved stamps that Joh. Enschede Stamps B. V of the Netherlands printed for Austria look like
computer engraved. See thread http://goscf.com/t/58227&SearchTerm...ian,etch,art


Concerning those Italian computer engraved ones I can
only say they look too neat, machine made, lifeless .
The engravings are very crisp and sharp but there is no
feeling in them.And why all this black. Did they run out
of green, red, blue, purple engraving ink in Italy and Spain?

Interesting that the engravers signatures on the bottom
right no longer have the the INC. after their name which
is the abbreviation in Italian for INCISE = engraved.
Like the one below which clearly shows that Alceo Quieti
engraved that stamp.

Italy
Scott 870 1963

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Posted 04/27/2018   10:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Belgian Stamp Printing House in Mechelen does NOT have issued any stamps in computer-steered recess!

As long as Guillaume Broux is alive and kicking he will do the engraving [how lousy you may think he does it!] occassionally assisted by colleagues fron anywhere [Spain, China, Sweden, etc...]....

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Posted 04/27/2018   6:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Galeoptix (Rein) said:


Quote:
The Belgian Stamp Printing House in Mechelen does NOT have issued any stamps in computer-steered recess!


Here is a quote from the Belgian engraver Guillaume Broux in an
article of the Gibbons Stamp Monthly November 2017 issue written by Adrian Keppel
(SCF member AKPhilately )


Quote:
The preliminary drawing is still 100 per cent done by hand. The engraving of the master die, too, is done 100 per cent by hand. Nothing is etched, everything is engraved with burins into steel. Until fairly recently, the printing cylinders would have been made with a transfer roller. These rollers were rolled over the master die with lots of pressure so that they would pick up the engraving. The transfer roller would then, again under heavy pressure, be rolled over the printing cylinder, thus transferring the engraving onto the cylinder. This is how it used to be done ever since the first postage stamp was issued in 1840.

In 2013 we changed this and now the master die gets scanned, whereupon a computer, using that scan, guides a laser that cuts the engraving into the printing cylinder. My first engravings which were transferred to cylinder that way were those for the 2013 issue marking the centenary of Belgium's first airmail flight.


OK Rein would you at least agree that Belgian stamps are
partially computer engraved now ?
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Posted 04/30/2018   5:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Would we call all moletted plates/cylinders "mechanically" engraved???? Or "chemically engraved" in the case of galvanic reproduction????

Is the original an engraving or just a line drawing which gets reproduced and laser-engraved into the cylinder??? And for the analog/digital image the Klischographs/Crossfields/Ohio are involved???
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