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Posted 03/14/2016   7:02 pm  Show Profile Check Stamps1962's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add Stamps1962 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Does anyone know of any cross reference that gives corresponding Yvert #s for Scott on the early French issues? I recently purchased a Yvert album and am having difficulty figuring out where some of the early stamps go. Or maybe of a dealer who used both catalog numbers in their listing?

Right now I am having issues deciding where to place Scott #125 and 130, high values. If anyone knows the Yvert #s for those that would at least help the immediate problem, thanks.

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Posted 03/14/2016   7:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add davestm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have Scott #125 for YV #121 the 1F Liberty & Peace issue, and Scott #130 for YV #123 the 5F value.
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Posted 03/15/2016   05:08 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Worth picking up Yvert or Maury catalogues for France - they aren't expensive - around 20 or so - and they're lovely books.

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When I was looking for a SG / Scott reference for Straits Settlements, I found dealer online that had a comprehensive price list using both numbers. I was about to download the price list and use it like a checklist.

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Posted 03/15/2016   2:14 pm  Show Profile Check Stamps1962's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Stamps1962 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Those cross reference lists are worth their weight in gold.

I recall a couple years back asking similar questions- not on here- about another collecting area. I get the sense a lot of folks had information but were spooked from offering assistance because of Amos' draconian policy about the use of their numbering system. It has really had a chilling effect on the hobby IMO. Just to be clear, I am seeking this for my own use and with no intent of distributing or selling any checklist.

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Posted 03/15/2016   2:33 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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If you don't want to spring for Yvert, I'm happy to give numbers if you describe the stamps.

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Posted 03/19/2016   4:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ekbustad to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There was a series of books published in the early 1990's which contained catalog number cross-references of Scott, Yvert & Michel catalog numbers for several countries popular with collectors. They also included lists of stamps from that country with their estimate of their potential as investments. They were USID, Inc. of Miami Lake. Florida under the name StampFinder. Same company that has the http://(170403) Not Allowed - Auto-Removed/ website today.

I have the one for Germany, but I am pretty sure that there was one for France as well. They are long out of print and I have never seen any used copies for sale. My understanding is that originally they had permission from the three catalog publishers to use their numbers, but that this was later withdrawn by one of more of them. Thus there were no later versions of the books.
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Posted 03/20/2016   2:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jarnick to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scott is pretty aggressive in protecting their numbering system. They have licensed some cross-references, Michael Rogers China and Macau come to mind, they seem to be exceptions. I presume that Yvert, Ceres and Gibbons feel the same way about their numbering.
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It all seems very odd to "protect" your numbering system from "being used". Isn't that what they should be wanting, their numbering system to be used? Isn't there a maximum time limit (like 100 years) that they can protect a patent or license (whatever you want to call it)? It is like the old books that become public domain and others can produce audio copies.
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Posted 03/21/2016   8:29 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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To return to this, I just received the 2016 Maury France catalogue. Hardbacked, over 1,000 pages, beautifully designed and produced, all stamps illustrated, considerable detail on early and complex issues, in proper issue order and with details of the Yvert number if the Maury/Yvert numbering diverges. And under twenty quid!

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Posted 03/22/2016   05:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AnthonyUK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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As you are using an Yvert album for France it would make sense just to go with Yvert numbering as it is so much more detailed than Scott for France.
Anybody serious in this area will not use Scott so it will only be used if you are buying or selling with non-specialist US buyers who know no different.

This site list all the early issue by year with Yvert numbering.

http://www.timbres-de-france.com/co...ion/pag1.php
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It all seems very odd to "protect" your numbering system from "being used". Isn't that what they should be wanting, their numbering system to be used? Isn't there a maximum time limit (like 100 years) that they can protect a patent or license (whatever you want to call it)? It is like the old books that become public domain and others can produce audio copies.


Scott gives a general license to use it but Scott makes their money selling catalogs so they are protective of their works so that revenue stream is not diminished. There is a lot of work involved in creating these. When Krause published a cross reference, Scott sued and they go after anyone creating comprehensive lists that would negate the use of their materials. They do license it via a royalty.

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Posted 12/04/2018   7:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add luraybelmont to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
so the question still really has not been addressed. Is there a Scott/ Yvert cross reference? Or anyone know of a dealer who lists in Strictly Yvert? I want to find even modern stamps from Africa that Scott still has not listed, but Yvert has.
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Posted 12/04/2018   7:34 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This site has a list of French (and overseas) dealers who are members of the trade body

http://www.cnep.fr
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Posted 12/11/2018   6:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrewM to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have no idea where to find such a list of numbers. Don's list is pretty impressive, but the problem is I don't think he can use Scott numbers. Unless those numbers along the left margin are Scott numbers, and I'm betting they aren't because then he'd owe money to Scott. With all of Scott's paranoia about its numbers being used, maybe somebody will make up a comparative list of Scott and other catalogue numbers and secretly hand it over to another collector late at night on a dark park bench somewhere like a spy during the Cold War.

You got numbers?"

"Da, I got many numbers, comrade! Don't tell anyone where you got them, though."

It really does seem pretty silly.
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