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Austria Telegraph Stamps Of 1874

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Posted 02/05/2017   3:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add dkabq8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Are Austria telegraph stamps listed in the Scott Standard Postage Stamp Catalogue? I have looked though my 2009 Volume 1 and cannot find them.

Thanks for the help.
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Posted 02/05/2017   4:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

No they are not.
This is what I have, may be helpful.

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Posted 02/05/2017   5:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have a couple of the 1870 stamps from the private Wiener Privat-Telegrafen-Gesellschaft company as listed in Hiscocks.

They both have the single cancellation line them just like the one in the Hiscocks illustration but I think they are nice looking stamps.

I'll scan them if and when I find them as currently they are not where I expected to find them!
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Posted 02/05/2017   5:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For many years the only catalogue for worldwide revenue stamps was the 1982 one by Steve Hiscocks.

A new expanded edition of this has been published by John Barefoot:

http://www.jbarefoot.co.uk/philatel...he-world.htm
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Posted 02/05/2017   9:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From my collection --

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Posted 02/06/2017   12:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod your paper is wrong , 1873 was Typo not Litho and 1874/75 was engraved, actually copper print and the one of floortrader look engraved , but the scan is not good enough to be sure , and they also look perf 12 or more the 1873 are only 9, 10 or a combination of them.

They are in the Netto Katalok , THE reference
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Posted 02/06/2017   02:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Rod your paper is wrong , 1873 was Typo not Litho and 1874/75 was engraved,


Thank you.

Basically my paper is correct, apart from adding that Lithograph.
(and assuming the lithograph was included in the 1874 set)

I shall amend my page, and take out the lithograph example.
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Rod and Floortrader - it always amazes me what you guys can dig up from your collections. Very inspiring - thanks for sharing, as always.
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Posted 02/06/2017   07:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks BLAAMAND , I am just a worldwide collectors .
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Posted 02/06/2017   07:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod they was no litho at all in 1974/75 , they was Engraved 9 copper) and for the SPECIMENT it's 50% if it's center and - 50% if above 75% more

so your SPECIMEN are - 50% not + 75 %


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Posted 02/06/2017   07:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't get excited about the differences in pricing estimates between different catalogues for these kind of stamps.

In 1982 Hiscocks noted that Specimens "fetch perhaps 75% of mint prices", i.e. 25% less (or even less). Netto says 50% less. Same ball park.



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Posted 02/06/2017   2:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Yes, pricing always can be tricky, my information came from a collector,
and depends when he made the appraisal.

At best it can always be a guage.

For Australia, I use the 5/- Bridge, the 1972 Produce set, and the 1966 Antarctic set,
as a barometer, as to the current status.

For Turkey, I have been outbid in the past 30 auctions, for revenues, they sometimes reach $3 -$4 each, amazing to see an underground desire for these items.

It also depends on whom is buying and where from, I have seen a really poor set of Kemal Attaturk used definitives, sell for $25, which I appraised at $5 at best.
Sometimes there is no rhyme or reason.



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Posted 02/07/2017   4:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are the two private Austrian telegraph stamps from 1870 that I mentioned.

They come from a set of five values in the same design.

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Posted 02/07/2017   4:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice scans Nigel.
Would you consider these as genuinely cancelled,
or the lines of remainders, preventing use?

Thanks for posting.

Update:
answering my own question. Remainders.
http://gb-precancels.org/Telegraphs/World/Ost.html

Webmaster has not seen a used cancel.


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Posted 02/07/2017   4:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the link Rod. It's nice to see the colours of the other three values.

Hiscocks said that the only used stamps he has seen were just the lower halves and these are what he lists as "used".

I would guess that these will not be cancelled with a handstamp but probably just have the telegram details written by hand.
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Posted 02/07/2017   8:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I was pondering the cost of a Telegraph in 1870.
I always watched with scepticism, when I saw a cowboy send a telegraph
on a TV serial.
Telegrams in my day, were dashed expensive.

Ergo, I was assuming the corollory that few of those stamps would be used.
They must be amongst the first telegraph stamps.


Anyhow decide for yourself. The GATU in circa 1870

http://scholar.uwindsor.ca/cgi/view...xt=odettepub


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