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Posted 12/30/2017   10:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm happy to help with New South Wales numerals too.

I also have information on the towns/villages of NSW - population size, location etc.

Bobby DLR
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Posted 01/01/2018   09:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EdziuMM to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you. HAPPY NEW YEAR
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Posted 01/01/2019   12:45 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
We haven't seen anything here for a while - does anyone have any NSW numerals that they need help in identifying?
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Posted 01/22/2019   10:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I thought it might be helpful for those members without Freeman's book to point out most of the differences for numerals that technically could be read upside down. The illustration below shows the main types we'll be looking at.



I have deliberately ignored the very first barred numeral types, mostly found on Sydney Views and Laureates.

The first 2R has 20 something rays as a rule (can be 17 to 19) and the second has 31 to 43 rays. The numerals in the second type are generally thicker and larger, but not always. The first 3R has 16 rays and the second has 12 rays. The 4B is just the numeral, a 4D is a duplex.


The list of numerals that can potentially be read upside down is:

6/9, 16/91, 18/81, 19/61, 66/99, 68/89, 86/98, 106/901, 108/801, 109/601, 116/911, 118/811, 119/611, 161/191, 166/991, 169/691, 186/981, 188/881, 189/681, 196/961, 198/861, 199/661, 606/909, 608/809, 616/919, 618/819, 666/999, 668/899, 669/699, 686/989, 688/889, 696/969, 698/869.

If I've missed any please let me know.


An easy way to distinguish a lot of these is the fact that the barred numeral type was the only one used from number 836 onwards.

Therefore, in every case but four, if the cancellation is a barred numeral it must be the higher of the two numbers, as the lower number never had this type. Two of the exceptions are 186 and 698, the barred numeral for these being common.

For 186/981 Freeman states the 981 has never been recorded. For 698/869 Freeman does not provide an image for 869 suggesting the cancellation is quite rare; it's rated RRR.

The other two are 119/611 (barred numerals for both are known but are very rare) and 669/699 (10mm gap between central bars on 669 compared to 9mm on 699).


The following numerals are only found in the 3R type with 12 rays. Their upside down counterparts are not found in this type at all: 601, 611, 661, 681, 691, 801 and 811


Some of the others can be distinguished as follows:

18/81 - 2R type, 18 has 17 rays, 81 has 33 rays

18/81 - 3R 16 rays type, the 8 in the 18 is very close to the rays, in the 81 the numerals are well centered in the rays

86/98 - 2R type, 86 has 36 rays, 98 has 20 rays (NB: numeral 86 with 20 rays was used at Gayndah in Queensland. The top loop of the 8 is smaller than the bottom in both the 86 and 98, making it easy to orientate the cancel)

618/819 - 3R 12 rays type, numerals are closer together in the former

608/809 - 3R 12 rays type, 0 in 608 more oval, more circular in 809


This leaves the following which aren't so easy:

66/99 & 161/191 - each has a 2R type

6/9 - both have a similar 3R 16 rays type

16/91 & 19/61 & 68/89 - each has a 2R and a 3R 16 rays type

For these, if you have any queries post up a scan and we should be able to identify them for you. Rarity, size and the position of the rays relative to the numerals are three ways to distinguish one from the other.

Hope all this helps, and makes some sense
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Posted 01/23/2019   12:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice work Bobby Saved in my "NSW Catalogues" folder.


Quote:
does anyone have any NSW numerals that they need help in identifying?


Opinion ?
This "Takuma" Postal forgery, Pmk is genuine do you think ?
If so, location of 54 ?

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Posted 01/23/2019   12:59 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod222, it's a genuine 54 from Pyrmont. Not rated.

The forgery on the other hand, for anyone seeing one for the first time, rates very nicely!
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Edited by fairdinkumstamps - 01/23/2019 01:04 am
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Posted 01/23/2019   01:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice Rod, thanks for sharing

You are in esteemed company, Hutson had one (lot 615 in the Spink catalogue) also cancelled at Pyrmont.
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Posted 01/23/2019   01:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you gentlemen.
Sheesh! MUST remember to disclose "not mine"
Sorry,
I use the scan to remind me when new stamps arrive, and how to ID my examples looking for the forgery.
I was curious on the Postmark, and where the forgery may have come from.
I didn't intend to deceive.



SOLD $725 Prestige Philately date unknown.

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Edited by rod222 - 01/23/2019 01:43 am
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Posted 01/23/2019   01:46 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The forgeries shown by Rod222 are numbers 30 and 7 (with 30) respectively in the census of recorded examples.
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Edited by fairdinkumstamps - 01/23/2019 01:48 am
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Posted 01/23/2019   03:03 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Spot the mistake in the Spink description of the Takuma forgery:

Auction: 13023 - The Hutson Collection of New South Wales
Lot: 615

NEW SOUTH WALES
LATER ISSUES
1888-90 Centennial Issue
Watermark Crown over "NSW" (II)
2d. pale blue, lightly cancelled, fine.

https://www.spink.com/lot/13023615
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Posted 01/23/2019   04:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd say that it's the inference that the forgery has a watermark when in reality it doesn't.
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Posted 01/23/2019   04:44 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Spot on Bobby De La Rue.
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Posted 01/23/2019   07:01 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is plenty of variety to be found in this interesting branch of philately.

Here are just a few of the different stamps that can be found bearing some of the rays, concentric ovals and barred numerals of numeral 35, Goulburn. The Goulburn Post Office opened 1st February, 1832.

Source:The Numeral Cancellations of New South Wales, 2nd Edition, 2017 by Hugh Freeman
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Posted 01/23/2019   8:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spain_1850 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I think I'll be making frequent stops at this topic at some point in time.
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Posted 01/23/2019   8:48 pm  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A nice collection to sort through, Spain_1850.

Numeral 84 is Tenterfield and, about 130km away by road, Numeral 92 is Casino.

Both towns are located in the far North-East of New South Wales, relatively close to the Queensland border.
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Edited by fairdinkumstamps - 01/23/2019 8:51 pm
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