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Posted 01/14/2019   11:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The "Girl with Absinthe" stamp on the other hand I
do like.
In this case the engraved parts stand out and
the solid offset is perfect for the background.

Jaroslav Tvrdon did a great job on the girls face.


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Posted 01/15/2019   06:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
lithograving - Re your post http://goscf.com/t/61374&whichpage=3#572049

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That stamp "Two Women" by Jaroslav Král looks lifeless and the colours are drab and washed out.
Looks depressing. ...


You are certainly entitled to your opinion as anyone is for that matter.

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I wonder why it was printed in such dark hues when the actual painting has bright colours?

As far as the dark hues in offset are concerned, so do I.

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... to be truthful in this case the black engraved lines don't add anything.

Colouring in high-quality engraving prints by offset (or photogravure) can never match the impressiveness of the classic multicolour steel engraving. That was why I had chosen the above examples.

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Might as well have been printed just in offset.

As for me, on the other hand, I beg to differ because I find nothing artistic at all about such reproductions of paintings on stamps printed in offset as the one in http://goscf.com/t/65636#571751 .
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Posted 01/16/2019   04:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
lithograving - Re http://goscf.com/t/61374&whichpage=4#572055

The stamp featuring the sculpture "Girl with Absinthe" is a different matter. Here the uniform background in offset sets off the sculpture rendered in engraving to perfection as can be seen on the card shown in http://cartesmaximum.blogspot.com/2...listu-v.html :


As for the image of the stamp featuring the painting "Two Women" as shown on http://wnsstamps.post/en I am rather puzzled about its very dark and dull colouring printed in offset compared to that shown in http://cartesmaximum.blogspot.com/2...-vydava.html where it appears to be somewhat lighter grey as well as brighter red:

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Posted 01/17/2019   3:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Florian this time I have to disagree with you when you say


Quote:
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Might as well have been printed just in offset.

As for me, on the other hand, I beg to differ because I find nothing artistic at all about such reproductions of paintings on stamps printed in offset as the one in http://goscf.com/t/65636#571751 .


The offset stamp you mention there is Austria Scott 727, a detail
of Klimt's famous painting Der Kuss




Here are two of my scans of the stamp, mint on left, used on right
and a cropped section taken from the painting I found on line.
The scan of the mint is not good, too bright, sorry to say.
When I compare the stamp with the actual painting it is quite
a good likeness and that is what I want see when stamps attempt
to portray a painting,or watercolour or whatever work of Art.
For a 1964 multicolour offset printing done by the Brüder Rosenbaum
it was actually a good effort compared to what was printed offset
at that timeby other printers/countries.
I don't want some artistic interpretation by either the stamp designer
or the engraver or the printer.



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Posted 01/18/2019   02:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
lithograving - Well, de gustibus ... You are certainly entitled to your opinion as anyone is for that matter.
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Posted 01/19/2019   3:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Florian I agree with what you say.

What is the Latin for beauty is in the eye of the beholder ?
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Posted 01/19/2019   7:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The annual Czechoslovakian painting issue, this time for the
year 1973.

Engravers : Ladislav Jirka (1K) Miloš Ondracek (1.20K)
Jindra Schmidt (1.80K & 2.40K) Josef Hercik ( 2K & 3.60K)

printing process : multicolour engraving

Czechoslovakia 1973

Scott 1908 - 1913

1908, 1908a two varieties were issued

Scott lists 1908 as having violet blue inscriptions but in the
footnote states 1908 has light bluish green central background
For 1908a Scott has black inscription and grayish blue background.
The one with the violet blue inscription actually has the grayish
blue background.



Scott 1909



1910 - 1913 Souvenir Sheet









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Posted 01/19/2019   8:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Treasures of Czechoslovak castles and chateaux

Designer & engraver : Josef Hercik

Printing process : combination, engraved & multicolour photogravure

Czechoslovakia 1982

Scott 2418a SS



Scott 2415



Scott 2416



Scott 2417



Scott 2418

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Posted 01/20/2019   01:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Louise411 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Respectfully Lithograving How do you upload such crisp and clear pictures? What do you use to do this? Thank you.
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Posted 01/20/2019   1:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Louise

Thanks for the compliments.
I use an old Epson Perfection 4490PHOTO flat bed scanner.
I've had it now 10 years and still works fine.
There are some newer models available such as the V550 or
the V600 for a reasonable price on Amazon or from
Epson Canada direct who at the moment are selling a
refurbished V550 for $120 CAD so less than a 100 bucks US.

I usually scan at 1200dpi for my stamps and very little
tweaking after, just some straightening and cropping.
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Posted 01/21/2019   05:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
lithograving - I am absolutely amazed at your large-format scans showing the details of the two varieties of Scott # 1908, which I have never seen compared side by side at high magnification.

Many thanks!!!

Sc. #1908 (background in greyish blue) appeared on FDCs and was distributed to new issues subscribers of mint stamps
while Sc. #1908a (background in light greenish blue, the carpet in red retouched; allegedly, these will have been the colours of the painting before they had aged) appeared at a few post office counters but was not distributed to new issues subscribers of mint stamps.



Florián

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Posted 01/21/2019   08:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add graphis to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This message is being posted on behalf of Florian..who wanted me to attach the image of the stamp that I scanned for him.

The following quote is his..

"Graphis has e-mailed me a fine scan of the stamp featuring the painting "Two Women" in lighter offset colours together with note "Colours are true to the stamp scanned" to be compared with the very dark and dull colouring printed in offset as shown by

http://www.wnsstamps.post/en/stamps/CZ038.16

The question is: Was this stamp issued in two varieties of offset colouring?"


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Posted 01/21/2019   8:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Florian, I agree that the two Scott 1908 side by side really
showed up the differences.

Here is another set from you I want to show.

Czechoslovakia issued this set in 1971 for the 25th Anniversary
of UNICEF.

Designer : Josef Liesler

Engravers : Ladislav Jirka (60h) Josef Hercik ( 80h & 1K)
Jindra Schmidt ( 1.60K & 2K) Bedrich Housa (3K)

Printing process : multicolour engraving on flat plates.

Folk Art and UNICEF emblem

Czechoslovakia 1971

Scott 1785 - 1790

Scott does not show any varieties for the 60h but as can be
seen from the scan there definitely are major differences.
The one on the right has much deeper, darker red shading and the
UNICEF emblem is black whereas it is blue on the one on the left.












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Posted 01/22/2019   04:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
lithograving - Many thanks again for showing clearly the differences between the two varieties of Scott #1785.

Sc. #1785 - in all probability, the first print run in yellow, red, blue, and black
- (UNICEF emblem and contours - as well as the dolls' hats, faces, and breast - in black like on the other values; the front doll's skirt and birds' bodies crosshatched in red) appeared on FDCs and was available at post office counters but was not distributed to new issues subscribers.

Sc. #1785 - in all probability, the second print run in yellow, light purplish red, blue, and navy blue (an improvement on the first, the die for the original red ink having been re-engraved and its colour changed to light purplish red - countours, unlike on the other values, in navy blue, UNICEF emblem as well as the dolls' hats, faces, and breasts in blue, the front doll's skirt and birds' bodies lined in light purplish red) did not appear on FDCs but was distributed to new issues subscribers.

Much obliged.

Florián
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Edited by florian - 01/23/2019 02:54 am
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Posted 01/22/2019   05:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
graphis - Thank you very much for your kind help. Much obliged, indeed!

Florián


So let's compare the three scans as shown by graphis, http://www.wnsstamps.post/en/stamps/CZ038.16 , and http://cartesmaximum.blogspot.com/2...-vydava.html respectively:




The question remains: Was this stamp issued in two varieties of offset colouring?
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Edited by florian - 01/22/2019 06:30 am
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