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Posted 02/13/2020   05:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add cupram to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello
I have 3 stamps from Bolivia that differ (from left to right) as follows:
paper: 0.05 / 0.08 / 0.08 mm
perforation: 14/11 / 13.5
I found on a site that perforation 11 is rare. My question is addressed to the owners of specialized catalogs, for the value of this stamp and possibly a scan with the catalog page for the values of the whole serie.
Thanks


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Posted 02/13/2020   11:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add naufrago to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi ,is thi a true one?,is signed in the back bi Gino Biondi

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Posted 02/13/2020   11:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add naufrago to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Cupram,they were engraved by Bradbury,Wilkinson co,in 1894?perf 14,14 1/2,in a thiner paper that the previus ones,catalog,stampworld.com
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Posted 02/13/2020   12:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Signature looks forged to me.A Biondi signature is more drawn out.As far as the stamp goes; the pic is of poor quality for any worthwhile opinion to be made.
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Posted 02/13/2020   1:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bonjour naufrago.
Vous avez naufragie avec votre demande sur la mienne.Ce n'est pas poli.
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Posted 02/13/2020   1:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is Gino Biondi's signature

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Posted 02/13/2020   1:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add naufrago to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Escusme,i'm not very good with this tools,at 68 we rolling down the hill,escusme again
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Posted 02/13/2020   2:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No problem naufrago.
The Bolivia stamps were engraved too by Eudes&Chassepot,Paris?(paper thicker and perf. 13.5 and 11)
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Posted 02/13/2020   4:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A run down on some history of the Bolivian Paris print, (perfed 11 in Bolivia).
REPRINTINGS
The subsequent runs of Paris and New York, are in unknown quantities, very abundant in thick paper. Much lower than the quantities of the originals are those printed on similar quality papers very similar to the original (medium paper), thin paper.
Fraudulent reprints (medium thick papers): The first, from Paris, in colors with tones generally very different from the originals with notorious variations in perforations. Some abundant quantity of these stamps arrived in Bolivia and were mixed with the official stamps in the Post Office, they circulated along with the originals, the rest were sold to philatelic merchants in Europe and the United States.
Later runs, generally not very well studied,exist with colors different from the original ones. They are usually scarcer than the original London print. Most reprints on medium to slightly thin paper are so good that they are confused with the originals.
IMPERF PAIRS: only 20c is known on thin paper, in which we have not yet found watermark, which should exist. In all values #8203;#8203;there are imperf pairs (Tests) on thick paper.

The only full sheets imperf on thick paper (2c, 5c and 50c) known, are found in the private collections of Mrs. Martha Villarroel and Mr. Samuel M. Ogle.
1894.- Most of the reprints come from the Endes Chassepot printing press in Paris, with plates from Bradbury, Wilkinson Co. Thick and porous, ordinary papers and medium to slightly thin papers generally of good quality. Perfed 13 to 13.5.
The studies developed by René Luis Rodríguez González in Sucre have determined the existence of at least five printing plates, derived from Bradbury's original, Wilkinson Co.
The counterfeiters received the shipment of stamps from Bradbury, Wilkinson Co. and proceeded to replace originals with reprints, sending the adulterated boxes to the Bolivian authorities

The counterfeit operations center was in the Diplomatic Legation of Bolivia in Paris. The Secretary of the Legation, José Manuel Paz, implemented the fraud, falsifying the signature of the Minister in the orders to Bradbury, Wilkinson Co. of London, requesting the sending of the matrices and ordering the first impressions of Endes Chassepot in Paris. Enrique Gainsborg, author of the fraud with the stamps for railway forms in 1892, was also involved in this scam. Simón Lassus, Consul of Bolivia in New York, involved in reprints of the first Bolivian issues, was responsible for the sale of reprints in the United States. Lassus also printed lots of stamps on its own, for distribution in France.
Lassus also printed lots of stamps on his own, for distribution in France.
The Chargé d'Affaires ad-interim of the Legation in France magnificently summarizes the background of those involved in this fraud to the Bolivian State in a note dated January 15, 1897 addressed to the Minister of Foreign Realizations and says:
The Government having asked this Legation to find out about certain facts concerning the falsification of postage stamps and the issuance of nickel coins; it has been necessary to proceed with great prudence so as not to cause scandal, which would only report the discredit of the country and the discredit of the people who were then in charge of the Legation; It is for this reason, Mr. Minister, that the police or the judicial authority did not want to intervene.
To make known to that Ministry the characters that have taken a direct part in this sad business and those who entered the Legation as members of it.

E. Gaisborg.- This individual was called by Mr. M. de Argandoña to the Legation as Acting Deputy to replace J.M. Peace [...]. Gainsborg was formerly the Private Secretary of Mr. de Argandoña [...] and since his entry into the Legation, it became a kind of agency or undeniable business office [...]. Afterwards he was separated from the Legation and he doesn't know exactly the reasons, but he assures me that it was due to various questions about profit sharing and commissions.
Emilio Lassus.- This individual of Peruvian nationality, was Consul of his Nation in Nantes, France, from where he was separated by acts of indelicacy, then went to Bolivia where on the recommendation of José Manuel Paz, he was appointed General Consul of Bolivia in New York , from there the American Government was forced to ask Bolivia's dismissal, for reasons similar to what happened in Nantes.
From New York, he escaped leaving the Consulate, according to notes from our Consul, whom I addressed in order to find out his interference in counterfeit stamps, which is sufficiently proven […].

José Manuel Paz.- Secretary of the Legation since March 1890, also held the position of Charge d'Affaires simultaneously with the Minister Mr. de Argandoña and by his tacit consent […]. In this capacity as Secretary of the Legation, he went to London through the aforementioned E. Gaisborg to the Bradbury house, Wilkinson Co. for the preparation of postage stamps […]. But demanding that he send all the stamps to Paris to the Legation, instead of sending them directly to Bolivia, as it should have been done, well, it is not understood why the stamps arrived in this capital.
They also demanded that the house of London return the seven matrix plates to the Legation [...] which is entirely unnecessary in such cases, since these plates always remain deposited and sealed in a special box, and they can only be used in certain cases , by special order of the Government.

Concluding like this:
The government will appreciate, judging the responsibility that corresponds to those who did not know how to fulfill their duty and who instead abused the position entrusted to them only to discredit and exploit the country.
For most countries it is "Security Issue" and "State Policy" to maintain a strong and professional Foreign Ministry. For the "International Relations and Diplomacy" chair of several countries, most of the examples of "what not to do" are named Bolivia.


The amount of reprints made by order of Gainsborg, Paz and Lassus will never be known. It is certified that the first reprint was from Paris at the Endes Chassepot press and two reprints of Lassus: the first, most likely in New York; the second, possibly in France.
The recent investigation by René Luis Rodríguez confirms the existence of the other reprints not very well identified, in smaller quantities than the previous ones and with millimetric modifications of the original plates in width, length or width and length, product of the adjustment of the matrix and from the printing roller to different printing machines.

Translated from:
http://www.revistasbolivianas.org.b...g=es&nrm=iso










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Posted 02/15/2020   04:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello perf12
I thank you for this interesting article from which I think I managed to identify my stamps.
Thin paper ones: all original
Those with thick paper: 80% forgery (measuring the distance between the outer lines of value frames: 24.5 mm on originals; 25 mm on New York forgeries)
The stamp with the value 100 (Paris reprint) does not have cancellation lines as I initially thought, but it does have a inscription that I cannot read.
Have you encountered such a thing on these stamps?



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Posted 02/16/2020   2:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Past auction of Paris print with forged cancels..
https://www.stampcircuit.com/fr/sta...llermo-jalil
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Posted 02/17/2020   02:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you perf12
Back to forged stamp/cancel category.
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Posted 02/22/2020   11:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Timm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder if there has been a full study of this series that's been published.
Perforation varieties abound; Perforations 11, 13, 13-1/2, 14-1/4, 14-1/2 and combinations like 13-1/2X14-1/2. Also there's the imperforates.
Papers: thick, medium and thin; also hard and soft papers.
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Edited by Timm - 02/22/2020 12:01 pm
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