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King George V Sideface Varieties

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Posted 09/29/2020   07:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
itma,Partime - very interesting this topic.
I do not have specialized catalogs for Australia and the information on varieties is very interesting.
I found a perforated 3c stamp 13.5X12.5. Unfortunately I can't identify it, as Die I or II?
The lower right corner has a deformation. Is it a constant variety?
Thanks for the help.




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Posted 09/29/2020   09:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add itma to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, Cupram:

What you hsve is Die II. The giveaway is the horizontal bars on the H and the E of THREE PENCE. On Dies I and Ia, they are much thinner than on Die II. Here is the THREE PENCE on the Die I/Ia, the difference is unmistakable. Alsi in Die II, the shading lines are terminated in white lines, similar to the Die III 1d denomination:



So what you have is BW 108 (SG 100b) if your stamp has the small multiple crown over A watermark, or BW 109 (SG 128) for the multiple Crown over CofA watermark. If you are really lucky and have an inverted watermark, you have BW 108a or 109a (SG 100bw or 128w) with a C V of about $Aus10,000.

As for the flaw, I can't see it in the 2018 ACSC catalogue but, if you have been reading this topic, that does not mean that it doesn't exist as a constant variety. The corner on my copies of this stamp, do seem to extend outwards from being square as imaged below, but perhaps not to the same extent. Perhaps someone else can comment on this.



Sorry, I don't have a higher resolution image at hand right now.n Found!

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Posted 09/29/2020   11:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add itma to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cupram:

I've taken a further look at your stamp (D in the image below) with three of mine to get a better comparison of the lower frame.

A and B have the expanded lower left corner making them 109j. (Added 30 Sep 20: I made the mistake of adding a Die 1A - BW 108 - in as B instead of Die II - BW 109)

C doesn't seem to have any major features other than a slightly rounded lower left corner..

Your D can clearly be seen to have an enlarged lower right corner. The lower left corner is similar to C.



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Posted 09/29/2020   12:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am really enjoying this thread - extremely interesting


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Posted 09/29/2020   12:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add itma to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Peter:

Thanks for your kind words. I'm having fun with it as well.

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Posted 09/29/2020   1:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Frank,
Thank you very much for this perfect explanation.
For me who doesn't know English very well, a picture is worth a thousand words.
I only have the Scott catalog and with your help I identified the stamp as 1932 Scott # 117 Wmk.228(BW 109) Normal watermark unfortunately.




I have the same passion for the varieties of German stamps (I posted on the site what I found for the German stamps 1945 Berlin-Brandenburg) but unfortunately I did not find a collector in this field.
Your subject convinced me to order a batch of 20 stamps from this series (1/2 to 5 pence).
George
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Posted 09/29/2020   10:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found one copy of the ACSC 109 with the elongated bottom right corner. It may be a constant variety, though I can't find it in ACSC.
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Posted 09/29/2020   11:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add langtounlad to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
itma

With reference to your four value tablets compared above, the one marked B looks like a Die 1 or 1a. Post a full image front and rear and I will confirm.

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Frank
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Posted 09/30/2020   1:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add itma to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Frank:

Thanks for your eagle eye. B is Die IA rather than Die II.

Here is a comparison of relevant details for Die I and Die IA.

Die I: The R in THREE is irregular.
Die IA: It is even more irregular.

Die I: The C in PENCE leans slightly forwards.
Die IA: The C leans slightly backwards.

Die IA: The horizontal bars of the Es in the value are more or less regular.
Die IA: They are very irregular/



For completeness, it is worth also mentioning the the Types A and B versions of the Dir Ia. There are 8 impressions of Die IA on Plate 3 and 14 in Plate 4. The difference concerns the shading of the moustache and the in front of the eye. In Type B, there is continuous shading between the two areas while in Type A there is white space.

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Quote:
In Type B, there is continuous shading between the two areas while in Type B there is white space.


Should that read? "In Type B, there is continuous shading between the two areas while in Type A there is white space."
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Posted 09/30/2020   3:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add itma to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks,Phil. I have corrected it.
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Posted 09/30/2020   3:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Fascinating subject. When you don't have the specialist catalogues, it sure helps to read 'over your shoulder'. Thanks itma.
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Posted 09/30/2020   6:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add itma to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I've done a lot of that in the past so I guess I'm giving back a bit now.
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Posted 09/30/2020   10:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
An interesting variety on the 4p is the "Line through FOUR PENCE", which is easily visible to the naked eye (as opposed to many of the other varieties).

Scott 31
ACSC BW 110(2)r
Single Watermark
Position 2R12
Perf 14.25 x 14 comb

There are also two different re-touches shown. I'm still looking for those.




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Posted 10/01/2020   08:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add itma to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty good variety there, Partime. I am sure I have a thin FOUR PENCE somewhere, but haven't found it yet. What I did find is a nice BW 111 (Violet) Type not previously identified as BW 111(2)ua. This matched the ACSC illustration down to the small incursion of colour into the tip of the white inner border.

BW 111(2)ua (SG 64)
Variety: Damages S.E. corner retouched (elongated corner)
Issued: 21 June 1921 first recorder use
Perf: 14.25 x 14
Wmk: Type 2 Second watermark (SG Type 5)


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