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Posted 10/12/2020   09:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Castielus to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello, greetings from Indonesia. I've been collecting stamps since I was 10. Now I'm 40. Though I lost all my stamps during the move, I now start collecting again by purchasing online. But I always come across Cancelled To Order CTO stamps. You know, the ones with postmark printed instead of stamped. I am frustrated to be honest. They look so great but feel so fake. I am clueless, please help me by enlightening me....

1. Are CTO stamps considered original stamps?
2. Is there any fake CTO?

3. ALL CTO stamps I have are printed on art-paperish or posterish paper, no glue on the back. They don't feel like real stamps. More like play things for kids. Are they original?How can I tell my CTOs are real or not?

4. CTO stamps series... the images I mean... Were they ever released as functional real stamps? Or are all CTO stamps exclusively CTO, never released to function as purchasable real stamps to be stamped for mails? - I'm sorry if this question is confusing. I hope someone understand what I mean...

Below I attach some of my CTO. I really love dinosaurs stamps. All of them are frustratingly CTO. Curiously, many African countries released dino CTO, which makes me wonder about their authenticity....



I really miss the old days when snail mails were trendy. I miss stamp trading...

Anyway thanks for reading and prior thanks for enlightening me....
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Netherlands
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Posted 10/12/2020   11:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
CTO does NOT always mean the stamps have a cancellation that was printed together with the stamps themelves!

Most 3rd world areas have "cancellations" that are offset-printed even with a coarse screen!

Some CTO's are very interesting!

I love those in photogravure for both the stamp design as well as the "cancellation" - British Commonwealth like Kenya or Tanganyika or the USSR!

Right now I am writing an article about the CTO's of Hungary. No Hungarian stamp expert has any idea how to recognize them! And they can be recognized just by the FEEL - let them slip through your fingers!
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Indonesia
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Posted 10/12/2020   1:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Castielus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@GaleOptix:
That is very interesting. No wonder Im confused when searching about CTO online. Here, online sellers always label printed postmark as CTO. Is there any better or mpre precise term for such CTO stamps?

Yes I agree, many CTO are great to look at. But Im worried about being scammed. Printed CTOs can be expensive here, around USD 5-10 per set.

I NEVER find printed CTO with coarse surface. All that I have are always smooth-surfaced, semi glossy just like thin art paper used in magazines.

Please do share the article link after u finish it. Although I havent come across any Hungarian CTOs, I need to read it :)
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Posted 10/12/2020   1:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
CASTIELUS ---Enjoy what you have, no problem adding them to your collection , I have close to 75,000 different CTO's and even some like SAAR which catalog over $100.00 per set {they catalog over $400.00 for postal used .}. Every collector makes their own decision how to collect.
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Posted 10/12/2020   5:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add codehappy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 'Somali Republic' sets were not authorized by the postal authorities of Somalia (in fact, there wasn't a Somali postal service at the time they were printed.) Those stamps were printed by some private enterprise with no official affiliation with Somalia, solely to sell as topicals.

Western Saharan independence isn't recognized by most countries, but there is a de facto Sahrawi government in the southern part of Morocco, and they did authorize the stamps in the top row of the sheet. They are not officially recognized in international mails, but some get used for postage anyway. They're as legitimate as stamps from unrecognized states like the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, or breakaway states like Katanga.

The Cambodian, Cuban, and Soviet stamps were all regular postage issues.
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Posted 10/12/2020   8:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sensing a theme here. Castielus you may enjoy this thread:

http://goscf.com/t/14431&whichpage=1
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Posted 11/10/2020   07:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dianne Earl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I totally agree with Floortrader

I have a few collections that have a good amount of CTO's. Most are inexpensive and they look great in my albums.

Dianne
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Posted 11/10/2020   6:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StatesmanStamper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bring on the CTOs! I may not have as many as floortrader, but I happily include them in my collection.

Dale
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Posted 12/06/2020   9:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Casey Magoo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I personally can live without them.There is something unnatural about this junk. In this photo I'm attaching, the CTO isn't even a full circle. It's just big enough to cover the usual corner of the stamp. I give this kind of stuff a big
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Posted 12/06/2020   9:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To reiterate what has already been said, collect what you like, and don't let anyone tell you it's wrong to do so. That is one of the major beauties of the hobby.
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Posted 12/06/2020   10:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
They look so great but feel so fake. I am clueless, please help me by enlightening me....


I have been in that room, and it's not pleasant.
This is where you find yourself, give it time, don't give them away, or destroy them, just put them aside.

CTO's are a genuine part of the Philatelic Journey
Most CTO can reside in a good collection, (example Czechoslovakia)

"Printed on" CTO's are a step too far for me.
I still collect them if they come across my desk, but hold them in some disdain.

Even Australia has "printed on " CTO, they have a story, produced as give away's in childrens packs.

I consider them "Cinderellas" yet the stamp itself is genuine.

Be kind to yourself, it is only a hobby, that will one day leave your possession.




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Posted 12/07/2020   06:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Noocassel to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
CTOs can often be recognised by the fact they have the cancellation but also still have full original gum. Many were printed far in excess of any postal need so they can raise revenue for the government of the issuing country and perhaps the printer. The phrase Wallpaper describes them well in my opinion. As others say collect what you enjoy. Most CTOs will never be valuable.I have GB Penny blacks, Penny reds, Watermark varieties and all sorts of "proper stamps" but I still love my African miniature sheet CTO which in an attempt to maximise sales has logos pictures and devices which mean it falls into 8 different topical or thematic categories. Sorry I can't show it but I have no scanner.
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