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So Who's Afraid Of The Indian States?

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Posted 04/01/2010   08:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jubilee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sad, very, very sad
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Posted 04/01/2010   09:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spock1k to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
unfortunately looks liek I hold a lot of keys if we are going to jump into indian native states and we will need to grease the locks with gold :)
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Posted 04/01/2010   09:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spock1k to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
hey jubilee did you get that 25 r yet? pretty soon we will be inthe off season and then I wont be able to get the older stamsp free or not
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Posted 04/01/2010   09:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jubilee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 25R still eludes me.....
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Posted 04/01/2010   10:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nr-notrare to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Tony.....


Great stamps and information.....please post more if you can.


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Posted 04/01/2010   10:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spock1k to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
hey Tony when you wake up tomorrow load jubilee up will you so we can celebrate with the nabha. dont worry I also have my eyes on kgv I never liked him till nabha showed up.
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Posted 04/01/2010   10:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tony Vella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


My small Alwar collection. I have had them so long - certainly before eBay - I don't even remember where they originally came from. Are these considered uglies?
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Posted 04/01/2010   10:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tony Vella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


And my Wadhwan 1888 perf. 12.
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Posted 04/01/2010   11:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spock1k to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ooo coat of arms very nice very nice me in love

rememeber if any of you want to sell ur mint stuff I am here :)
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Posted 04/01/2010   4:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not afraid. I have numerious Indian States, but not all of them.
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Posted 04/01/2010   6:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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My small Alwar collection. I have had them so long - certainly before eBay - I don't even remember where they originally came from. Are these considered uglies?


You tell me, Tony Some stick-in-the-mud die-hard 'mainstream' collectors might call them ugly. I think they're a rather pleasing design: dignified and not too fussy, as many late Victorian era stamps are.
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Posted 04/01/2010   6:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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And my Wadhwan 1888 perf. 12.


Nice: looks like a Stone II. Is the paper mesh vertical or horizontal? And is the paper thick or thin?
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Posted 04/01/2010   7:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tony Vella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@tonymacg
The paper is definitely thin and under my 30x the mesh appears to be vertical.
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Posted 04/01/2010   7:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That confirms it as Stone II, then, Tony - SG 2. (I think Gibbons' value of 55 for it is a touch on the generous side, but still a very nice item to have.)
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Posted 04/01/2010   8:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK, after a small diversion (my cat decided that, since she couldn't give me an Easter egg, she'd present me with the next best thing: a hardly chewed pigeon in my living-room), on to Bhopal. Bhopal is one of the biggies, and a classic Ugly.

It was large state in Central India; Bhopal town is the capital of the modern State of Madhya Pradesh. The rulers were Muslim, although the population was predominantly Hindu: this is why the ruler's likeness never appeared on a Bhopal stamp. During its philatelic heyday, 1872 to 1908, the state was ruled by two women in succession, Nawab Shah Jahan Begum (1868-1901) and Nawab Sultan Jahan Begum (1901-1926). The former was apparently a pretty formidable character, and a great friend of Queen Victoria, whom she used to meet in strict purdah, away from the male Indian rulers.

There were two basic types of the early Bhopal stamps, and both drive novices to distraction. They were lithographed in sheets of various sizes, with each stamp on the sheet being drawn in by hand. With the stones being cleaned off after each printing, and plenty of printings being made, you can see that the scope for confusion is pretty wide. I'm not sure how well it will come up, but here is a sheet of SG 2 by way of example



All the stamps of this type had the central octagon filled with an octagonal embossed seal of the ruler. (These stamps were reprinted later: the reprints, and imitations, have a circular embossing, which immediately marks them out.)

Bhopal used a second, smaller type at the same time. Again, the stones were cleaned off after each printing, leading to a number of different types. The hand drawing onto the stone also led to the occasional spelling error in the English inscription:



SG 14a - The correct inscription is HH NAWAB SHAH JAHAN BEGAM, but the artist slipped in an extra A, giving 'HH ANAWAB ...'

At first glance at Gibbons, you may be tempted to throw up your hands, and decide life's too short. But bear with them. Each printing has its particular family resemblances: an inverted 'W' for 'M' in the English inscription, reversed 'N's or the presence or absence of Persian letters in the central inscription. With a little practice, you'll find it's really quite easy to assign a stamp to its correct printing.
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