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Posted 12/29/2021   08:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jchrisler to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
So here I go again with what is probably a simple question. I have a 2009 Scott Vol3 which covers Germany. I have looked and looked and I cannot find this stamp:



I am beginning to wonder if it isn't German. Also, I have looked at the cancel and can't tell what year this postcard was mailed. Could someone tell me what I am doing wrong that I can't find this stamp? Here is the post card:




By the way the view on this card is one I remember well from my youth when I lived over there for 2 years. At that time I was told the smaller castle on the river was infested with rats and that the swarms of rats all came out at night. I was horrified at the idea, and have never forgotten this place because of it.

I do know this is an RPPC card and the photographer is Kratz, Koln-E., Subbelrath 308.
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Posted 12/29/2021   08:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trainwreck to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Try Germany, 1928-1932 definitive series depicting Friedrich Ebert and Paul von Hindenburg.

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Posted 12/29/2021   08:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's definitely German, that's Paul von Hindenburg, after all. It's Michel 414 (Scott 374), from 1928. Part of the large Hindenburg/Friedrich Ebert issue from that year.
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Posted 12/29/2021   1:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add waddsbadds to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jchrisler also asks what year the postcard was mailed. The postmark looks like possibly 3 9 30, so the third of September (although I'm not sure about the month) 1930, and the 18-19 I believe means that it was cancelled between 6:00 and 7:00 PM, and in Coblenz (now spelled Koblenz), a city of about 115,000 on the banks of the Rhine and the largest city in the state of Rhineland-Palatinate. As has already been pointed out' it's from the long Ebert-Hindenburg set of definitives, and while most stamps from the set are quite common and therefore cheap, the mint, never hinged stamps must be quite scarce because they are priced in Scott at anywhere from 6 to 10 times the price of a hinged unused example, and for the set a rather astonishing (for fairly common stamps) $1080 for the set of MNH
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Posted 12/29/2021   4:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Casey Magoo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What about these rascals? (MH)

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Posted 12/29/2021   6:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Germania to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The tete-beche stamps are Zusammendrucke, before they were separated into booklet panes. Michel K14, K13, K10 and K9. Catalog value approximately 108 euros though retail would be considerably less.
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Posted 12/29/2021   7:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stamp is MiNr. 414 / Sc. 374 from 1 September 1928.

The cancel is a machine cancel, Bochmann MS97, from the Koblenz 2 post office. It appears to be from 3 September 1930.

It translates as "Don't forget to give your street and house number!"
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Posted 12/30/2021   03:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jchrisler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, you folks are amazing! I can barely make out 3-9-30 for the date using magnification much less reading it from a computer screen. You all are really, really good at what you do. Thank you for identifying the stamp and for letting me know what the postmark says. When I was looking in the volume I have of Scott, I thought it might be a German president, von Hindenburg was what I was thinking but couldn't find a frontal picture so I wasn't sure. So this exercise has taught me a valuable lesson, that is to look outside of Scott if you can't locate a stamp you are looking for in the Scott catalogue. Although I wouldn't know where else to look, I would sure have to try. Thanks to everyone who participated in this discussion for teaching me to keep on looking elsewhere.
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Posted 12/30/2021   05:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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So this exercise has taught me a valuable lesson, that is to look outside of Scott if you can't locate a stamp you are looking for in the Scott catalogue.


Hmmm. A most unusual conclusion.

In the 2017 Scott catalog, this series of definitives shows one example each of the two designs (Ebert & Hindenburg). The Hindenburg example is the 5pf green. Perhaps a general lesson to take away when trying to identify similar definitives is to match the design - then read more closely to match the color and denomination.

But also to follow your conclusion of looking elsewhere. Yes, many use ebay as an ID tool. Searching for just "Hindenburg" under the stamps/Europe category yields matches high on the first page of hits.

And certainly Scott is absent for foreign stationery and revenues.
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Posted 12/30/2021   07:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jchrisler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi John Becker, I am surprised that you have apparently found this design of von Hindenburg, I have volume 1 and volume 3 of the 2009 catalog, and I could swear that the stamp in question was not represented. I can always be wrong. I have hurry now because I am taking someone to the airport this morning. I'll be thinking about this to the airport and back. Cheers, Julie
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Posted 12/30/2021   11:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jchrisler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So, back from the airport and I went into the 2009 Scott Catalog for Germany and there he was, just as plain as the nose on my face. I don't know how I missed him the first time I looked as I spent some time looking before I posted. At any rate, my apologies for putting up such a simple post about this stamp which was right there in the book. Thank you to everyone who commented here, and now my conclusion is if I can't find something, take a break and then look again. And then if it can't be found look elsewhere. This has been a good reminder to me to slow down. I must say though, you all provided me with better and more information than I would have found on my own, so thank you for that, Julie
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Posted 12/30/2021   11:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danstamps54 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Julie,

Don't feel bad. I've been collecting a very long time and it has happened to me and, most likely, to many other collectors.

I call it "catalog blindness." You look for a stamp in the catalog umpteen times and can't find it and then "boom" there it is staring you in the face.

Just part of the challenge of collecting!

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Posted 12/30/2021   4:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jchrisler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much for that thought Dan, I feel better since you told me that, and I appreciate your telling me that. Happy New Year to you! Julie
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Posted 12/30/2021   5:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
We all have "catalog blindness" now and then.

One additional important note to take from above (as Waddsbadds mentions) is that many countries arrange the cancel date in increasing time order as day/month rather than month/day.
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