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R133Ap1 Or Facsimile Sold On Ebay

 
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Posted 12/26/2021   08:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add SPQR to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
eBay seller CKStamps listed the item below with one of its typically detailed descriptions of "US Stamps Collection Unused NH NG Proof?" Illustrated is something resembling R133AP1, a proof of the authorized but unissued $5,000 documentary stamp. The proof does not match any of the known copies in Kingsley's book. The scan is not of sufficient resolution to see if it is actually engraved. Based on the seller, description ("Proof?"), and the fact that the scan of the back does not resemble an India paper proof, I did not bid. However, the item brought $1,325. Does anyone know what this was? I assume some type of copy or facsimile. Or did I miss a great opportunity?

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Posted 12/26/2021   08:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I did not think that the item looked engraved (look at the portrait area). There was also a $200 first issue that appeared to be printed in the same manner on the same paper. Personally, I think someone spent a lot of money on some kind of worthless reproduction.
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Posted 12/26/2021   08:31 am  Show Profile Check 1typesetter's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 1typesetter to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Photocopy. No doubt.

Here's the real deal: https://postalmuseum.si.edu/object/...3_1_.18.24.1

Noticed the engraved lines and sharp dots in the vignette. The sold item is very flat and shows no signs of engraving.
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Posted 12/26/2021   2:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StateRevs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 12/26/2021   6:01 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There was also a small herd of Washingtons I wondered about

https://www.ebay.com/itm/363645529614


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Posted 12/26/2021   6:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This one looks engraved; it's much more "alive" rather then flat.
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thanks all - the scan of the back of the "proof" in the original listing did not look like copy paper, but maybe that is what it is. I thought maybe someone could identify the source as a philatelic label or something similar. I believe there was a SIPEX souvenir sheet but in black and white.
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There is a reason that CK ended the listing title with a question mark. He knows full well it is not genuine and the question mark is a pathetic way of saying "not guaranteed" while still appealing to gamblers.

He did the same thing with this one that has an identical look and paper:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/403363765099

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Posted 12/27/2021   1:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I believe there was a SIPEX souvenir sheet but in black and white.


See below.

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Thanks Jim - obviously not the Sipex sheet - the colors are not the same as the dust jacket of the Castenholtz edition of the book Revenue Stamps of the United States
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