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Posted 07/12/2022   07:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add RuckusCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Any one on here smitten with the 1913 airmail precursor stamps that were used to raise funds for the Swiss air force?
I've heard that the Lugano stamp has forgeries. Any recommendations as to how to identify those?
Also, I recent won an auction with a 6 block of Liestals, which seems simply unbelievable to me, since I've been dreaming of just getting a single one. Anyone know if there was some later issuing of that stamp like was done with the Olten and Solothurner stamps?
Will see when they come in, but they looked like the real deal.
Not sure why I got so obsessed with these, but as soon as I saw the unfilled page in my dad's book, I was like, "What are those"?
Have since been trying to get all the other flugspende vignettes in the SBK album as well.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.
Cheers
Kurt
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Posted 07/13/2022   12:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RuckusCollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well.... I blew it on the auction. The 6 sheet was a photo-copy. I got almost all the vignettes I was looking for, but spent way more than I would have, Ah well. Live and learn.
Still looking for a Liestal stamp now.
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Kurt
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Posted 07/13/2022   10:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stampdoc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have 3 of these stamps that I obtained as part of a large Swiss cinderella collection I purchased (Aarau, Herisau, and Solothurn). They are mentioned in my Pen catalogue, but no number or value assigned. They are in Sanabria with numbers and values, but they are very much out of date (Sanabria hasn't covered Switzerland since 1966).

There are forgeries of the Lugano stamp, which would be the easiest to forge given its simple design. Here is a link to an article that may help.

http://s107851386.onlinehome.us/SP/SP60-61.pdf
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Posted 07/13/2022   10:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stampdoc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 07/15/2022   8:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RuckusCollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you so much for those links!
I'll have a closer look when I find some time.
I have two Lugano's on postcards, but we'll see if they are fake or not when I review the articles.
Aside from Olten, which I never expect to own since it's so rare, I'm down just a Liestal. I know where one is now that is in my price range, but blew my budget on the fake six block, so I'll just wait until the next time around.
Anyway, I find the history of these stamps absolutely fascinating.
They don't even appear in the Scott guide. Both Zumstein and SBK has a section on them and SBK also has other Flugspende Cinderella's.
When I can shrink my images of the pages small enough, I'll post some photos up for anybody stumbling on this thread in the future.

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Posted 07/21/2022   5:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RuckusCollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's an image of the stamps from SBK.
Hopefully I'll find a Liestal for a bargain at some point, but none of these are cheap.
I have two post cards with the Milano stamp, which I still have to spend some time trying to determine if they are fake. Curious if people ever remove valuable stamps for letters to put them individually in an album. I have multiple versions of the post card and it has nothing written on it. Will post up some pictures sometime soon.
The SBK listing (there is at least one more page showing some variations and pricing). These do also show up in Zumstein.
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Posted 07/26/2022   01:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RuckusCollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
After reading StampDocs linked articles about the Lugano stamps, one thing stood out for me in particular. It says there were certain postcards that were used, but I don't know specifically which cards they list actually look like. I've started gathering images of known flugspende postcards. Anyone know of a resource that helps identify these? Thanks




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Posted 07/26/2022   02:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 22crows to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Flying Allegory card is shown here on page 43 of the journal as Fig. 1. See note under Fig. 5

https://www.americanairmailsociety....Oct_1955.pdf
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Posted 07/26/2022   03:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RuckusCollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oooh, thank you!These descriptions are more clear. I think that's actually the Helvetia airplane over Bellinzona castle, and I think I found the Flying Allegory image elsewhere. It's starting to look like I likely have a fake, since my Lugano is on a postcard with the Helvetia standing on a airplane powered by three horses. I was figuring it was likely fake.
Here's two of the postcards from the list.



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Posted 07/27/2022   12:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RuckusCollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Adding in a card I think may be the Attilio Maffei card they list. There are others of him in his plane, and I haven't found any yet with the Lugano stamp, but have found this now twice with other vorlaufers on it.

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Posted 07/27/2022   01:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RuckusCollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a link to a pdf from the Lugano stamp club that talks about the Lugano vorlaufer. http://www.luganophila.ch/index_htm...-10_Fila.pdf
The six post cards listed in the early links people provided don't mention a Helvetia in an airplane with the Madonna Del Sasso, and Google translate doesn't leave me certain, so am not sure if them showing it in the article means its the front of the card they are showing the back of with the Lugano stamp. I've seen the Helvetia standing on the airplane with three different backgrounds so far.
The PDF cuts off at page 2, so I'm not sure what more they are about to say after "some images below reproduce".
From Google translate:
In that year, 4,100 Lugano stamps 1913 were printed and 3,385 were sold; the remaining 715 pieces were sold in other ways. Approximately 6,000 official postcards printed on that occasion by the Cantonal Committee of the Swiss National Pro-aviation for the outward flight from Lugano to Mendrisio, of which approximately half were franked with the 25 cts postage stamp; 371, on the other hand, the postcards printed for the return flight. Numerous of these specimens are kept in PTT collections. On the back of the postcards a female figure (Elvezia) is imprinted on an aircraft with torch and emblem of the Canton of Ticino as well as the words "For the Swiss military aviation" or "For the Fatherland"; some images below reproduce........

Maybe I'll ask the stamp club for the rest of the article some time.



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Posted 07/27/2022   04:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Fabulous image !
Bleriot's propeller
Helice Normal
https://www.historicpropellers.com/...ler-bleriot/

Oops
This is the BLERIOT NORMALE
http://www.woodenpropeller.com/Normale.html
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Edited by rod222 - 07/27/2022 04:56 am
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Posted 07/28/2022   2:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RuckusCollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
After seeing two articles with a list of six postcards that were legitimate for Lugano's, my already low expectations that my two postcards with Lugano's were real, dimmed further. One of them is on the airplain/three horses card that I had picked up for $30. It isn't cancelled and nothing is written on it, so I've been suspicious from the beginning, but ok with it being fake if it was.
However, I'm seeing the same sort of card with a Lugano stamp on it in an auction with a hefty price and an attest, and it appears that the Lugano was from 9 or 10 in the sheet like mine (pointed tips on left bracket).
https://www.ricardo.ch/de/a/vorlaeu...-1200174348/
Maybe I got lucky after all. Will have to have an expert have a look at them at some point. I'm definitely going to reach out to the Lugano stamp club to see if they can confirm or dispell the notion that only the 6 cards were primarily used, as they have ones not mentioned in their own news articles.
Here's one of my two Lugano's. If anybody spots fake elements, please let me know. Apologies, I probably should have pulled it out of the protective sleeve for the photos for better visibility, but won't be near my collection to redo photos for a while.



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