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How To Find If A Stamp Is CTO

 
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Posted 01/25/2023   07:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Roniku to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
hello
sorry for this topic, it might already have been proposed and answered, but I couldn't find it in forum.

I have received some stamps yesterday, and among them, trader wrote me that there are free CTO stamps from Cuba.

Here is my question :
How can I know that the stamps are CTO ?
is there any web page, where I can find if some stamps are CTO ?
Is there a way to find out for sure if a stamps is CTO ?
many thanks and enjoy stamps
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Posted 01/25/2023   07:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The most common case : a stamp with a cancel AND full gum
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Posted 01/25/2023   08:06 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Unless they've been badly treated by a previous owner, modern CTO stamos tend to be in good condition, with a neat corner cancel. Postally used ones will usually be scruffier, with no care taken with the cancel.

This isn't just a modern phenomenon. High-value Australian stamps from ninety or more years ago can (usually) be found CTO.
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Posted 01/25/2023   7:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paddle_more to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The CTO corner cancel may also be shiny black ink, unlike a real one.
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Posted 01/25/2023   7:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
CTO (Cancelled to order) stamps are dead easy to spot.

Produced so that collectors can enjoy the stamp and the design
without paying top dollar for each.

I have no issue with CTO, all are welcome at my place,
I collect for the story the stamps illustrate,
Naturally, I replace CTO with used, if opportunity arrives.

1985, 1986, 1987, Cubans are oft CTO

Here are some examples


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Edited by rod222 - 01/25/2023 7:44 pm
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Posted 01/25/2023   8:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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High-value Australian stamps from ninety or more years ago can (usually) be found CTO.

Here is a 1913 Australian CTO, probably dated Dec 3, 1913. It was available in collector's sets for many, many years. Scott 7, ACSC 16wb, valued at AUS$100, a slight premium over AUS$70 for a standard used stamp, and a much nicer presentation, in my opinion.
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Posted 01/25/2023   8:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
New South Wales stamps are known CTO, as I'm sure the other Australian colonies are also.
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Posted 01/25/2023   8:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
floortrader, that is a nice stamp ! One thing, there seems to run a strange line through E-PENCE. Is that normal or is this a plate variety?


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Posted 01/25/2023   8:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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One thing, there seems to run a strange line through E-PENCE. Is that normal or is this a plate variety?

I don't really see the strange line, though my eyes have been fooled many, many times. The early Australian Kangaroos and KGV's are a veritable minefield of varieties for fly speckers. This one, for example, is a 10 shilling stamp from 1916 which is an Official stamp, likely CTO, with a very short "Spencers Gulf" plus some small dots and specks in various areas. I identified this as Scott OB55, ACSC 48ba(D)f with a value of "I have no idea".


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Posted 01/26/2023   04:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Johan Buvelot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Often the "postmark" is shown for around 25/30%

And it is most often on one of the corners.
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Posted 01/26/2023   06:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
CTO's are stamps that were never used for postage, but made look so, and I guess that's why they are worth less.
That's why it's not unlikely that some sellers will wash off the gum to hide that they're CTO's. We can't rule out every stamp with weak corner cancelation as CTO.
I think the philatelic community really needs catalogs of CTO's, like forgery catalogs. But while the authorities are willingly helping to fight forgeries, they will be less willing to help identify CTO's, especially those countries that used CTO's as a significant official income.
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Edited by Rob Roy - 01/26/2023 06:22 am
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Posted 01/27/2023   09:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Roniku to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks to all of you for the comments

Any web page or link dedicated to CTO stamps ?
cheers
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Posted 01/27/2023   09:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Roniku, we have a "search" function on this forum. If you use it you might find what you are looking for


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