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'local' Part 2- Non-Descript But Almost Outstanding 1941 Postage Due Cover - Which I Did Buy

 
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Posted 03/14/2023   11:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I looked back as find that when I post a cover with full explanation of what it is, the topic gets views but often zero comments. So since the non-carrier local rate paid by postage due was so much fun [See: http://goscf.com/t/83623 ] laets stay with postage due on an intracity cover

Now here is what looks like or is a surface city carrier office local rate cover, But it was assessed postage due even thought it was mailed in Albany N.Y. to Albany, N.Y.

What is it really and why ?



Hint: You need to think like a government bureaucrat.
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Posted 03/15/2023   12:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZebraMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK, I'll play.
A guess: It was mailed from the train station (RPO), and there are no mail carriers housed at the RPO for the local carrier rate to be applicable. It had to enter the regular mail stream from P.O. to P.O. like any other first class letter between post offices and therefore was assessed the extra penny postage due.
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Posted 03/15/2023   07:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting that not even the railroad got cut a break on it. It was mailed from their "home PO", but if the above is correct, the govt didn't care.
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Posted 03/15/2023   11:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
It was mailed from the train station (RPO), and there are no mail carriers housed at the RPO for the local carrier rate to be applicable


It was mailed at the train station which was located within Albany NY and carriers when there several times per day.

In the case of carrier office local, it did not matter where the carriers were housed as long as there was city delivery within the city.

So mailed at a train station: Yes it was but that itself is generally not why.
No carriers housed there: Not the reason.

So, still looking....
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Posted 03/15/2023   12:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would look at it as two separate jurisdictions with in the USPOD. Consider this scenario or line of thinking:

The clerk at the terminal RPO (or transfer clerk or clerk riding in a mail car) is an employee of the Railway Mail system.
Then there are the Albany, NY post office employees, who are "regular" employees.
The two have separate chains of command, etc., thus the RPO/RMS system might be viewed here as a separate "city".
Thus transferring a piece of mail from the RPO/RMS domain to the city of Albany domain makes is essentially "inter-city" - the concept that the terminal RPO/RMS office in any town is *not* a part of the local post office for rating purposes.

I do not see anything obvious in the regulations of the RMS to clarify, but this seems to be a simple explanation.
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Posted 03/15/2023   2:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes the RPO Terminal Clerk, while non-moving is part of the RPO system with a direct chain of command up to the level of Assistant Postmaster Generals.

City Postmasters have a chain of command to a different Assistant Postmaster General.

Thus the transit clerk, while located within the city delivery limits is not considered part of the city as the City Postmaster has zero jurisdiction. So mail deposited within Albany, NY but picked up and cancelled by the on site RPO Transit Clerk did not qualify for the local carrier city rate.


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...Lastly, the United States Official Postal Guide, Part 1, Fifth Series, Vol. 3, No. 1, July, 1941, p. 128, states:

27. Posting letters at railway post offices—The privilege of
posting letters in mail cars and in letter boxes at railway stations
from which collection is made by railway postal clerks is intended
only as an accommodation to travelers and to permit the mailing of
a few late letters which cannot be deposited in post offices in time
for their intended dispatch....


This subject was covered in detail in a 2018 Article, "When 'Local' Isn't" in The Specialist published by the USSS (United States Stamp Society) with appropriate citations and included the above quotation.

I apologize for my failure to know which month is was published but I do know it was not January nor February.

Perhaps one can post the month if they know it.

Edited to include the listed quote.
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Edited by Parcelpostguy - 03/15/2023 2:26 pm
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Posted 03/15/2023   7:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZebraMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Shocking. How would the average consumer know of this bureaucratic detail. Therefore I would expect this to be a relatively common misunderstanding and occurrence. And to have a railway employee (presumably) based out of that office to not know and make that mistake is also unexpected.
This is starting to make my hunt through the dollar cover box at the local stamp show a little harder. :-)
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