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Posted 11/03/2019   4:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi jjarmstrong47,

FACIT is the specialized for Scandinavian countries
for sure.
I've borrowed the 2015 edition from the Harry Sutherland Library
at Vincent Graves Greene Foundation a few times.
This edition is partly in English and very easy to use.

Regarding the Finland 1938 Red Cross issue here is the the part
from the 2015 FACIT.



G: (engraver or engraved method)= Grain-etched photogravure
Tr: Printing process = Copperplate recess (really?) crosses letterpress.

Michel(204 -207) states that the stamps were printed via
photogravure( Rastertiefdruck) but the cross was typography/letterpress (Buchdruck)

Scott claims that Finland B27 - B30 were engraved.

So there you have it.
Lots of conflicting information in the various main catalogues.
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Posted 12/22/2019   8:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add canadian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Czech Post will issue a stamp in January 2020 honoring engraver Bedrich Housa, who is keeping well.
The design will show him holding a graver in his right hand.
Denomination "A"
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Posted 02/04/2020   04:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Farewell to the Czech Engraved Stamp Bidden by Bedrich Housa

The doyen of the Czech postage stamp engravers and designers, Mr Bedrich Housa, born in 1926 and active in the trade for 62 years, between 1949 and 2011, bade farewell to the Czech engraved stamp at the Czech Post press conference ( https://www.kf0015.cz/?p=58348 ) held to introduce the first stamp issues in 2020, from now on to be entirely executed in offset printing, one of which now appearing in honour of the master engraver himself.

The last WIFAG rotary press used for printing stamps in intaglio in Czechia was scrapped in 2018 due to ever-decreasing print runs while the very last stamp printed on the Waite & Saville flat plate press by the PTC a.s. Praha printer was issued on Nov. 13, 2019.

Even if the above printer ceased the production of stamps in intaglio printing owing to a variety of reasons, the last but not least of which was the ageing of the highly skilled personnel required in the printing of stamps in pure multicolour line-engraving, those triumphs for designer, engraver and printer will continue to manifest their resplendent facture in the collections of stamp lovers.

Certain FDCs will, however, continue to be printed on a Waite & Saville flat plate press, such as
https://www.ceskaposta.cz/en/sluzby...ctId=5007409
or
https://www.ceskaposta.cz/en/sluzby...ctId=5007410

both of them appearing on the same day, the former engraved by Martin Srb (b. in 1954), the latter by Jaroslav Trvdon (b. in 1950).


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Posted 02/04/2020   10:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add strider to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello everybody

I've taken out my engraved stamps collection again.

Does anyone know anything about the Russia 1913 Romanov Tercentenary issue? My Gibbons tells me the stamps were engraved by F. Lundin, P. Ksidias and F. Schirnbock, but it doesn't indicate which engraver did which stamp. Or did one of them do the vignettes and another the frames?

I have a lot of Schirnbock's stamps and I know he became a professor. His work on the Romanov issue is included without any detail in the Stamp Engravers BlogSpot.

I've got two other stamps by Ksidias - the 1921 triumph of the revolution and the 1927 Smolny Institute.

Did Lundin engrave any other stamps?

Best to you all for 2020 - Neville
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Posted 02/04/2020   2:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AKPhilately to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Strider,

I checked Sendlhofer's book on Schirnböck but it does not give much information. However, my understanding has always been that Schirnböck engraved the recess-printed values, with the other names presumably responsible for the letterpress engravings. However, Sendlhofer also includes pictures of these letterpress stamps so that does not rhyme with my theory. But then, Sendlhofer also states that the whole set is recess-printed and that is most certainly not true.
So I suppose we need another source of information! I know Schirnböck's work has been dealt with in one of the Essay Proof Journals, but I do not have any time tonight to look into that. Maybe later.....
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Posted 02/04/2020   4:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AKPhilately to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I just found the passage in the Essay proof Journal, which reads as follows:

The collectors of Russia also have the works of Schirnbock in their albums. In 1913 he was commissioned to do the series commemorating the tercentenary of the founding of the Romanoff dynasty. It was a most important order and a tribute not only to Schirnbock but to the Staatsdruckerei as well. The designs were sketched by Bilibin, Sarrinsch and Lancery. There were seventeen stamps (A16-32), of as many designs, all but three being portraits. The thirteen lower values were typographed, the four highest recess printed, all of them a delight to the connoisseur. Proofs are in existence, but quite scarce.

So it's not conclusive, but still points towards Schirnböck being the engraver.
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Posted 02/05/2020   5:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Florian

Sad to hear that the fabulous era of engraved Czech
stamps has come to an end.
But as you say there are many examples of the past engraved beauties
we can still admire.

Well that basically leaves France as the only country that
regularly still prints & issues engraved stamps as of 2019.
Included there would be areas of the French sphere such as
Monaco, French Andorra and dependencies like French Polynesia,
Saint Pierre and Miquelon, French Antarctic Territories etc etc.
Once the French government printer Phil@poste scraps
the recess printing presses then that's it for them also.

A few countries including Spain, Italy, Belgium, Poland
and China also issued one or two engraved stamps in 2019
but who knows what will happen in 2020.

Canada has issued the odd engraved (combined with offset) high value
every few years, last one the $4 Bighorn sheep in 2018.



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Posted 02/05/2020   5:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add strider to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Adrian, for the info re the 1913 Romanov set.

I should have looked more carefully at my Gibbons. It says quite clearly that the kopek values were litho, and the rouble values engraved. And I just bought a complete set of the kopek values! Doh!!!

So I'm now looking for the rouble values. Heigh ho.

Any info on the work of the other engravers mentioned?

Cheers - Neville
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Posted 02/05/2020   5:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi strider/Neville

You wrote
Quote:
It says quite clearly that the kopek values were litho


I'm curious why Gibbons says litho when both Scott
and Michel state that the lower values were printed via
typography.
I only have the 4 kopek and it sure looks like typo to me,
not lithography.
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Posted 02/06/2020   06:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add strider to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, sorry - Gibbons does say typo. My mistake.
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Posted 02/10/2020   06:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ramon A. (see his blog https://sellosyartistas.blogspot.co...irnbock.html and https://sellosyartistas.blogspot.co...-goznak.html ) has informed me that he had spent a week trying to identify the engravers of each stamp of the 1913 Romanov set, and starting from the very detailed initial information of Alexandr Savka on https://stamps.ru/blog/marki-yubile...ot-zamysla-k and having seen some evidence from auctions, he was able to make sure that these are :

Designers:

- Ivan Yakovlevich Bilibin: 1, 7, 25 and 70 kopecks; 1 and 3 roubles
- Yevgeny Yevgenyevich Lansere: 4 (based on portrait by Sir Godfrey Kneller), 14, 35, 50 kopecks; 2 rouble
- Rihards Zarinš: 2, 3, 10, 15, 20 kopecks; 5 roubles.


Engravers:

- Ferdinand Schirnböck: 1, 15, 25 and 35 kopecks)
- Pericles S. Ksidias: 2, 14 and 50 kopecks; 1 and 2 roubles
- Fiodor Lundin: 3, 4, 7, 10, 20 and 70 kopecks; 3 and 5 roubles.

F. Schirnböck did not engrave any of the stamps printed in line-engraved intaglio; he only engraved in relief the four stamps printed in typography.


For more info see also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Bilibin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Lanceray
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rihar...%C5%86%C5%A1
https://www.askart.com/artist/Peric...ias/11190526
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goznak
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Posted 02/11/2020   2:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AKPhilately to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Florián, for unearthing all that information on Schirnböck, absolutely fantastic.
And isn't Ramon's blog just the best ever?! So much detailed information. I've been comparing some of it with Sendlhofer's book where they differ in opinion and Ramon seems to prove his point with signed items and everything, so his word must be way more reliable. Time to finally read his whole blog, methinks!
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Posted 02/23/2020   09:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add strider to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello everyone

I've read on the Armstrong engraved stamps database that the 1934 Mexico university set aren't recess printed, as shown in Gibbons, but printed by unscreened photogravure. Are there other stamps shown as recess printed by SG, but actually not?

Armstrong also notes that Mexico was recognised as a world leader in stamp printing - do you agree with that? And who were the engravers?

Cheers - Strider
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Posted 02/23/2020   1:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@strider

SCF forum member Galeoptix (Rein) wrote about this on an Argentinian
forum already 10 years ago.

Thread title Mexico - avant garde printing techniques - 1916-now

http://foro.filateliaargentina.org/...3250a307a4b2

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