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Posted 11/22/2010   12:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add gord to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This one looks old but cant place it. sort of feels embossed
(title edited after clarification)
thx



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Posted 11/22/2010   01:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nope..see I'm fallible
never seen it before,
my guess spain.

You have some nice stamps there Gord.
love the clear cancel on this one.
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Posted 11/22/2010   01:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cut square (corner of envelope) postal stationary (envelope) preprinted.
er, imperforate, see below

From some Spanish or Portuguese speaking country.

Very Nice cancel and margins around stamp.
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Edited by Puzzler - 11/22/2010 02:17 am
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Posted 11/22/2010   01:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Portugal
king pedro 5

1853-1861

a very involved stamp it would seem
I am going for gibbons 23 (deep rose)
"curly hair" and "double lines"

I am reading two dies for the 25 rei
yours appear to be die 2
(the pearls do not touch the outer oval)

In die 1 the two "R's" of correio are closer
together than die 2


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Edited by rod222 - 11/22/2010 01:17 am
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Posted 11/22/2010   01:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gord to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hey Thanks Puzzler.
yes it is Portugal!
I guess the "57" cancel is 1857?
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Posted 11/22/2010   01:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gord to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
yes Rod I think you might be right about "double lines" 23
Puzzler I think is right too about it being cut from an envelope or stationary..Does that still make it a "stamp" in the stamp sense of the word..lol
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Posted 11/22/2010   01:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
57 would indicate the office number which accepted the
letter for posting. An area or a town.
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Posted 11/22/2010   01:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Gord, you should go to your first post here,
select the "edit reply" button
and rename the post thread topic to something like
"Portugal 1856" so that we can search the scf database
when another pops up for comparison.
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Posted 11/22/2010   01:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gord to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Done
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Posted 11/22/2010   01:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are some up on ebay now from a Spanish seller.
Search for Portugal Pedro.

Because yours does have large margins and a nicely placed, readable cancel it would price higher than a 'regular' copy.

Also the cancel itself may make it ordinary or very rare. For example in the Canada specialized catalogue (do not have Portugal, sorry) the cancels from that old a period are listed and priced according to rarity. The larger cities and offices being less rare and the smaller cities with less usage being the hard to acquire ones in good shape (as yours is). Worth checking on the cancel somehow.
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Posted 11/22/2010   01:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bravo Gord.
In 20 years SCF will be an amazing database.
(if not already)
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Posted 11/22/2010   01:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As for being a stamp or not, I originally thought and posted that it was an embossed postal stationary pre-printed on the envelope (lettre) kind of stamp, BUT

looking on delcampe.net I see that it is rather an imperforate type of stamp that was embossed most likely as a security measure to prevent forgery.

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Posted 11/22/2010   02:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gord to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice follow up Puzzler !
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Posted 11/22/2010   02:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A lot of 10 of these these 25 Reis stamps sold on ebay.com.sg (Singapore) from a seller in Portugal (??? maybe directed to the Portuguese folks in Macau, China) ?) for USD $17.50 .

http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/PORTUGAL-PED...360311466202
Nice 1.5 MB scan

OR

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Posted 11/22/2010   02:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gord to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dont see #57 on those cancels..maybe is scarcer..:P
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Posted 11/22/2010   02:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yours is not yellowed like some of those. But it is dirty from something. Not sure if you should soak it or beware on ink that runs in water (aniline).

154 years old now so wow!
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