Questions Regarding Russia Stamps (Scott #45 And 38)

I am assuming that marks on the two Scott's #45 are cancellations. However, my doubt comes from having a #38 with a very similar mark on it. Were those the standard cancellations for Russia back then?

Also, the second #45 appears to be an imperf (due to the white border lines being intact.)

If that is so might there be a different valuation for it? Scott's has a HUGE difference for an imperf pair but says nothing about a single imperf. I'm guessing it's because it has the same value as the perf.

Note: I know that if there is a difference in valuations it will most likely be irrelevant in this case due given how uneven the borders are. However, I can use the response to be evaluate other stamps that might fit this situation.

Any experts out there that can answer these two questions?

Thanks!

Not cancels, but overprints. The trident overprint is for Ukraine.

A little tied down, so I can't look it up for you. But it appears you have a Scott catalog. Look under Ukraine for the stamps.

The 1r stamp was issued both perforate and imperforate, so that is normal. It is not required to be a pair, a single stamp is sufficient for the imperforate.

If Scott lists imperforate pairs, it is usually because the imperforate is an error and the pair is used to prove it is genuinely imperforate and not just a large-margined perforate stamp that has been trimmed.

Hi Vilmar,

Even without the Ukraine trident overprint the 70 kop stamp wouldn't have been Scott #38. Scott #38 is type A6 (no thunderbolts over the posthorn) while this stamp is type A11 (with the thunderbolts).

Similarly, don't assume the two 1r stamps would have been Scott #45 if they hadn't been overprinted for Ukraine. For example I'd guess the imperf one would have been Russia Scott #131.

By the way the listing for Scott #45b isn't just for an imperf pair of #45. It's for a "pair, imperf between", i.e. a pair perf on all sides except between the two stamps.

Nigel, you are spot-on. I missed the thunderbolts. Ditto the #131. I went back and found it. So that takes care of that. Now I just need to go to the library and get the Scott's book with "U" in it. :-)

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that the project I've set upon is just not my idea of fun. My eyes tire easily at having to use 10x magnifiers looking for minute differences in stamps.

This is probably a better hobby for younger folks with more patience (although given today's youth's "instant gratification" society it probably is not suited for them either.)

Your first stamp is Ukraine #22, #2 Ukraine #40, 3 Ukraine #21. They all have nearly minimum values, but the values in scott are given for the most common variety of overprint. Scott says there many different varieties of overprint, but they are not listed in Standard Scott, maybe in specialized Ukraine catalog which I'm sure is not available in your regular city library.

Thanks, Danko. Yeah, I don't think that specialized catalog is available in the library.

I'll let this be a mystery my grandson or granddaughter (or their kids) can figure out!

Hello, i'm new to this forum.

I was looking around for this same stamp and i'm glad I found it.

Could anyone be please kind enough to perhaps give me some information about the same stamp, only with a double center and if there are any others like it/how much this thing would be worth? :)

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Haven't tested it for watermarks yet, don't know if it's worth the try or not.

There should be a study on this stamp alone somewhere as it has many variations and uses. I have quite a few myself including ones missing background, inverted background, laid paper perfs and imperfs and so on. Basically grouped them all within my russia assortment but am not taking on the challenge until I have alot of time and patience.
Stamphead welcome and what are you reffering to as a double center? The center of the pictured stamp looks possibly over inked but I don't see double. I know it can be inverted (printed upside down or bacwards) but It looks fairly common for this issue.

Hmm I looked around for a while without finding any studies of this stamp, as I couldn't even find the correct name of it.