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Help To ID Yugoslavian (?) Stamps Pls!

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Posted 03/17/2011   6:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jimjamtwo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Can anyone pls tell me what these are? I found them in a large lot of Yugoslavian stamps, but they could be Croatia.





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Posted 03/17/2011   6:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
yugoslavia newspaper stamps 1919
yugoslavia 1918
yugoslavia 1919 postage due
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Posted 03/17/2011   7:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, rod222!
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Posted 03/17/2011   7:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I just realised you are aussie,
if you collect via Stanley Gibbons
I can post the cat numbers.
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Posted 03/17/2011   7:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Heads up also for the myrtle green Bosnian newspaper issue opt,
SG states :
"Stamps of this type surcharged "2" between 2 circles
were never put on sale at the post office"
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Posted 03/17/2011   8:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting! I suppose it doesn't give a CV for that reason?

And, yes, I'm in Sydney - much as I'd like to move somewhere more affordable.
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Posted 03/17/2011   8:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I work from a 1965 catalogue,
but SG does not give value to non issued stamps AFAIK.
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Posted 03/17/2011   9:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scott lists these "Bosnian girl" stamp a bit differently.

The 2 on 20 green and 3 on 2 blue overprints are under Yugoslavia as regular postal issues, but with a sub-heading as for Bosnia locals, and numbered 1L45 ($1.10 mint, 2.75 used) and 1L22 ($.20 mint and .20 used) in the 2008 edition.

Technically the country was then a loose federation called the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes. It was not renamed Yugoslavia (which means south Slavia) until 1930.

The country was formed in 1918, and from that year until 1921, Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Serbia and Montenegro all had there own stamps. It is unclear why Scott lists the first three areas under Yugoslavia with "1L, 2L and 3L" numbers, while the Serbia and Montenegro stamps are listed under their own name.
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Posted 03/17/2011   10:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
SG currently lists these two Bosnian girls as Yugoslavia SG 23 (3 on 3h. ultramarine) and SG 52 (2 on 20h. green).
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Posted 03/17/2011   10:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

But the green (with dots) is still not listed Nigel?
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Posted 03/17/2011   10:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rodney,

SG 52 is indeed the 2 on 20h surcharge with round blobs rather than square ones. SG 50 and SG 51 are also surcharges with round blobs (2 on 6h mauve and 2 on 120 h carmine respectively.)

Corrected SG number.
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Edited by nigelc - 03/18/2011 04:23 am
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Posted 03/18/2011   01:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I see,
thank you very much.
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Posted 03/18/2011   02:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info, everyone.

By the way, the Bosnian girl stamps are on thick, glossy paper, not normal stamp paper. I thought they might have been cutouts, but it would seem that they're regular stamps.
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Posted 03/18/2011   03:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kuhli to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Technically the country was then a loose federation called the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes. It was not renamed Yugoslavia (which means south Slavia) until 1930.

The country was formed in 1918, and from that year until 1921, Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Serbia and Montenegro all had there own stamps. It is unclear why Scott lists the first three areas under Yugoslavia with "1L, 2L and 3L" numbers, while the Serbia and Montenegro stamps are listed under their own name.


the formation in 1918 was known as the "State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs" (drzava SHS), which was actually the slavic regions of the dismantled Austro-Hungarian Empire. the Kingdom of Serbia joined later, and being the largest of the states, as well as already established as a Kingdom, pretty much took control, changing the name in 1921 to Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (notice that Serbia got top billing, now).


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The 2 on 20 green and 3 on 2 blue overprints are under Yugoslavia as regular postal issues, but with a sub-heading as for Bosnia locals, and numbered 1L45 ($1.10 mint, 2.75 used) and 1L22 ($.20 mint and .20 used) in the 2008 edition.

the 3 on 2 should be 1L21 (5 on 6 should be the 1L22).

for the first group, there are 2 sets of all of them, from Ljubljana (Slovenia) or Vienna (Austria). what you have is:

3LP1 (2 filara, Ljubljana printing)
3LP21 (6 para on 2 filara, Vienna printing)
3LP15 (4 para on 2 filara, Ljubljana printing)
3LP20 (4 para on 2 filara, Vienna printing)

for the 3rd group, the Vienna printings have larger numerals, which is what both yours are:
3LJ8 and 3LJ9


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Posted 03/18/2011   04:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Kuhli!
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Posted 03/18/2011   05:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
'SG 52 is indeed the 2 on 20h surcharge with round blobs rather than square ones.'

So it lists the unissued one? Does it give a CV?
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