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Victoria Colonies - One Penny - Large Broken Line

 
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Posted 03/27/2011   10:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add cdnum to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi,

There is a large broken line over O (One). Is this a variety?

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Maybe Rod222 know that... :)

Thank you!

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Posted 03/28/2011   3:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cdnum to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply



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Posted 03/28/2011   8:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cdnum,
I'm sorry, but you will have to stand in the corner.
Naughty boy!

No year, or stamp ID
Next time I'll have you picking rope

I presume this to be SG298
(Australia : Victoria)
Dull chestnut.
One Penny January 1st 1890


I do not have appropriate catalogues for flyspecking this one
It is not a variety in my 1993 SG catalogue

I have checked my 35 stamps
and none display your variety, so you have a unique item perhaps

This stamp comes in the following colours :

dull chestnut
orange-brown
deep red brown
yellow-brown
brown-red
bright yellow-orange
brownish-orange.

Isn't collecting fun?

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Posted 03/28/2011   8:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
BTW You're second image in your first post
reads:

"Ooops nothing to see here"
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Posted 03/28/2011   9:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 2005 Australia catalog lists this as SG313. No mention of any design varieties either.
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Posted 03/28/2011   9:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Oh great news Smauggie,
I have to renumber my entire victorian collection then.
grumble grumble
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Posted 03/28/2011   9:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I figured as much. Does this happen from time to time with SG catalogs?
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Posted 03/29/2011   02:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In the 2011 Part 1, this could be any of SG 313 and a-f or SG 332 and a-b, depending on watermark.

Gibbons does renumber regularly, through it usually only affects individual stamps. (However, if I had my way, all the Gibbons numbers of Barwani would be incremented by 2.) In the Part 1, the list of 'Stamps Added' and 'Catalogue Numbers Altered' are up in the introductory matter, just before the Contents page.

I agree about the fly-specks. Gibbons gives a very detailed listing of the early Primitives, but doesn't go into that sort of detail for the later issues.
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Posted 03/29/2011   07:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MmmmBalf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
cdnum, this is most likely a minor plateable variety.

There were 15 plates used during the life of this stamp - from 1/1/1890 to 6/6/1901. (A red shade was shown in a thread by butterfly a few days ago.) The plates were electrotype, produced by striking lead moulds from the die one at a time. Varieties are caused by adhesion of lead to the die. Since the moulds were struck individually, varieties occur randomly.

Plates 10 - 15 were produced using improved methods and so with less varieties, and those that did occur were regular (up to 50% of a sheet might show the variety.) However even the most notable varieties are not listed in SG.

It's difficult to pick shades from scans at the best of times, and yours is just a corner, but my best guess would be red-brown, issued in 1896 (SG 332.) Printed from plates 7,8,9 & 10. Watermark would confirm - it would be V3 (type 82 in Gibbons.) The V over Crown watermarks can be very hard to distinguish between, one of the reasons Victoria isn't all that popular to collectors. Of course that keeps the prices down for those of us who are. Don't bother if all you have is Scott - they only illustrate one V over Crown watermark.

There's very little literature on plate varieties in Victorian stamps. It's just too complex an issue I think. As I said, Victoria has never been that popular an area to study. There was a study of this stamp that appeared in The Philatelist & PJGB periodical, but it was in the 1980's - if you're really keen I could get you the dates.

So, while it's most likely a minor variety, only someone who's plated the issue would be able to tell, and they are going to be few and far between.

Rod - Gibbons renumbered the Australian States in the mid 90's. They've been pretty much the same since then, just some minor variations.

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Posted 03/29/2011   07:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MmmmBalf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, a full copy of the stamp has been included. It's still hard to tell from the scan - does the paper look pinkish at all? The shade kinda looks like the emergency printing on pinkish paper (still common) but it's hard to tell from the scan. Otherwise I still think the red-brown.

The barred numeral is 254 of Terang, 2nd duplex, which was in use all through the 1890's, so that doesn't help narrow the stamp down.

Balf
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Posted 03/29/2011   08:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent and interesting deep knowledge from
MmmmBalf as usual, love reading your critiques.
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Posted 03/29/2011   08:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


If you can love stamps as ugly as these, loving the Indian States should be a pushover
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Posted 03/29/2011   11:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cdnum to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

I think it is V over Crown WM and red-brown.

Thank you for these excellent explanations :)

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