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Posted 04/07/2011   1:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add mhc99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have been unable to find anything on these early 1900s triangular postmarks. Please help identify. Thanks - Mike












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Posted 04/07/2011   2:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jhlovell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don't know a thing about them other than they are really cool, but if I had to guess I would say LIZ was a special postmark for the queen. (hmmm... ranting again Jeff??)
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Posted 04/07/2011   2:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mhc99 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jhlovell, these postmarks were applied around 1904 to 1910 during the reign of Edward VII. No "LIZ" as in Queen Elizabeth or her mother at that time.
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Posted 04/07/2011   2:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Look at that, Jeff. Your post count just dropped by one.

When I see triangles, I think of British printed matter marks. Rod has the answer key, though.
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I think these are referred to as 'Triangular Handstamps' noted in the "Newspaper, Parcel, Registration, Express and Triangular Postmarks" section in the Dr. J.T. Whitney book - Collect British Postmarks. I believe the letters in your examples are all initials of London District Offices. The Head Office Initials are S.H., K.E., M.T.P, F.B., F.S., or I.S. These handstamps are also found with numbers of the Provincial Offices or telegraph code letters.

Your selection of them is very nice mhc99, do you collect these or have you recently come across them? You have shown a solid addition to a GB postmark collection IMHO. Thanks for showing them!

Have a Good One,

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Collect British Postmarks has been rumored for quite awhile to be reissued, seemingly by Gibbons. It seems to now have an ISBN of 9780852597590, and shows up as a 2011 release on Amazon, and elsewhere, though not much more information than that is available.

Still, an ISBN seems like progress, no?
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Posted 04/07/2011   6:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mhc99 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If someone could tell me what each of the codes relates to I'd really appreciate it.

skilo54, these scans I just uploaded came in the mail today with some other early GB CDS. In the last year, I decided to start an early GB postmark collection. I have several with FB, NPB, WDO, etc. I have come to appreciate that postmarks are a very interesting area to collect.

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Posted 04/07/2011   6:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add skilo54 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I heard the end of May, early June for the release Cdj. This release has been stalled before so who knows? An ISBN# is very promising, I am really looking forward to it. I probably use "Collect British Postmarks" more than most of my catalogues!

Have a Good One,

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Congratulations on your new stamps mhc99! Those will add a nice graphic element to your postmark collection! I have a few of these myself and like the way they look! Good Score!

C'ya Latron,

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Skilo54 and cjd, thanks for suggesting "Collect British Postmarks" as a reference book. I see that it appears for sale on eBay from time to time but it isn't being offered right now.
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Posted 04/07/2011   8:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It was said to be coming out last year, but didn't. The most-recent out-of-print editions often get quite a bit of money these days...the older editions can still be found for relatively low dough, though. The asking prices for the prior edition will probably drop in price when the new edition comes out.

It seems that there was truth to the rumor that Stanley Gibbons was taking over publication. I assume that is a good thing. Or at least not a bad thing.
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Posted 04/07/2011   8:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jubilee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My edition is 1990, so an update will be great. As for SG being involved, it probably means that the price will skyrocket
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Posted 04/07/2011   9:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My dream scenario would be (i) not a lot of new information in a new edition; and (ii) prices on the 7th edition dropping to $15.
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I cannot offer much above what is mentioned,
I have lots of odd information, but nothing
that defines the discipline, just a gaggle
of notes.

They are more involved than meets the eye
and welcome any information on catalogue
sequencing if anyone unearths it.
Their life extended from 1893---1968

The examples first posted are lovely
clear and precise, are you auctioning these?

I have a wrapper image, addressed to Germany with the LX triangle.

Perhaps we should make a list of codes?
CF = Cardiff telegraphic
SMO = St Martin's...?
CH = Charing Cross
MTP = Mount Pleasant
LX = Liverpool (Liverpool x?) (LIZ could be liverpool z?)

S = prefix for Scottish mark
I = prefix for Irish


Railway Postal Subdivisions (Apex downwards)
GW = great western
SUB
SCOTS

Some later varieties (apex downwards)
became two tiered and a "V" over number
is Irish.


They are also mentioned in
"british postmarks, a short history"
Alcock and Holland


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Posted 04/08/2011   01:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mhc99 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod, thanks for your input. I just got the stamps that I scanned and will probably add them to my collection of GB postmarks. I would love to know more about the codes and it might be nice to develop a list of codes for everyone's edification. I have checked a couple of books but can't find any info on these. I have a .pdf book on London Postmarks Used on Printer Matter and Parcels from 1860 which talks about London triangular postmarks (pages 21 and 22). It contains a list of London offices which used triangular marks (approx. 30 of them) but none of my ones are contained therein. I hope to check elsewhere and let you know if I find anything.
Regards
Mike
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Rod, the .pdf book I referenced in my last post is found at this link:

http://www.philatelicsannex.org/ref...ference.html

Scroll down the list of books to "F" and check out the following: Curt Fernau's "London Postmarks used on Printed Matter & Parcels from 1860" - PDF File (4.8 MB)

The pages dealing with London Triangular postmarks are 21 and 22.
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