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I made the mistake to post this very same together with the previous thread, sorry if you see it duplicated I need this advice, I will post these for auction on ebay, could anyone assit me on this? The two on top Scott's catalogue 1971 - #13 - A13 3c grey 200.00 1350.00 - Starting bid $500.00 each Botttom left Scott's catalogue 1971 - #12 - A12 2c green 40.00 50.00 - Starting bid $40.00 Bottom right Scott's catalogue 1971 - #14 - A14 5c light blue 50.00 75.00 - Starting bid $50.00  They all look unused, could anyone lead me so I can accurately ask for what they really worth? Bob |
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Ooh, you have stumbled into a very complex area of philately.
The top two are not the same I don't think, one is perforated and one imperf.
There is also the possiblity of reprints which are worth substatially less than the original printing but are difficult to differentiate. I would also add that you are not likely to get anywhere close to catalog value if your stamp does not have four margins (full frame lines). Thanks man!, That's why I was asking for advice, now the question comes, would it be worth it to even start a bid on these? Bob |
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Well I think it is dangerous to start a bid when you do not know what you have. You might end up wasting your time, or letting something go for a song. I await the expert opinions of others who have studied these stamps. |
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Thank you again smauggie, definitely I will wait for the experts opinion on this, not only because I could give away something valuable for peanuts but to offer the stamps in an honorable way, my name is more important than some dollars.
Bob |
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That is definitely an excellent reference to compare, I really appreciate your time and effort
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Bob |
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Top 2 stamps are definitely not genuine originals.
Not sure about the bottom 2 stamps.
The 2c stamp (bottom left) should be on glazed paper if it is a genuine original. Otherwise, it is a reprint.
Normally, I would say the 5c stamp (bottom right) is forgery, but there is a small possibility that it came from the edge of the sheet. Check the perforation on the 5c stamp. Genuine originals will be perf 13 to 13.25. |
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Filipo, I would never use stamps on ebay as a reference for genuine originals. Forgeries/reprints of rare stamps abound on ebay. One of the links you showed is a forgery, the other I'm not sure. |
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Quote:I would never use stamps on ebay as a reference for genuine originals. Forgeries/reprints of rare stamps abound on ebay. One of the links you showed is a forgery, the other I'm not sure. Got it, the one on the bottom left (green) is printed on glazed paper, therefore I could think that is genuine? Also the one on the bottom right is printed on glazed paper, how can I determine, by the perfs that is genuine? Thx Bob I must point that the 2 on top are also printed on glazed paper, what were the guidelines to determine that those are originals, I'm asking because in my possession there is a lot of pre-1900s stamps. Thx Bob |
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Bob-
It is not going to be possible to say that a Roman States stamp is genuine just by looking at a scan.
It is possible to say that one is not genuine, though. There are forgeries of these, but more importantly, there are boatloads of reprints. You can often guess at who reprinted it based on the perforation count.
But even if it ended up having a perf of 13.25, more or less, which is what it should be, you still couldn't be sure that it was genuine without confirmation from an expert. |
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But even if it ended up having a perf of 13.25, more or less, which is what it should be, you still couldn't be sure that it was genuine without confirmation from an expert. That is true. Fournier made a perf 13 forgery. We can only weed out the definite forgeries/reprints. Certification requires physical examination of the stamp. |
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Nice, if you guys have the time to check them by physical examination I can send them to you, that way there will no doubts about if they are forgeries or not, would you agree?
I'm going out to the postal office within the next hour, if someone would be willing to assist me on the examination, please reply a PM with an address and I will send them to you |
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Bob, Filipo,
Reprints/forgeries were also made on "shiny" paper, which is not quite the same as glazed paper. Physical examination or a certification would be necessary to convince me that a stamp is a genuine original.
Bob, both your bottom stamps have significant drop-outs in the divider lines and design -- usually an indicator (but not sufficient proof) that it is NOT a genuine original. |
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Bob, Filipo,
Reprints/forgeries were also made on "shiny" paper, which is not quite the same as glazed paper. Physical examination or a certification would be necessary to convince me that a stamp is a genuine original.
Bob, both your bottom stamps have significant drop-outs in the divider lines and design -- usually an indicator (but not sufficient proof) that it is NOT a genuine original. Not a problem, would you agree in perform the examination?, in Panama I just don't know who could perform such test. Please let me know Bob |
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