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Souviner Stamp Cards Question Please

 
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Posted 05/19/2011   5:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add fincbob2451 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello everybody, I have a question about souviner stamp cards. Using the one scanned would this stam be considered a CTO, used or unused? It is only attached to the card at the bottom of the sheet. It sort of seems like it would be a CTO but I am not at all sure.
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David



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Posted 05/19/2011   5:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
More than likely a CTO.
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Posted 05/19/2011   6:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fincbob2451 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks bmauggie, That is kind of what I thought.
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Posted 05/19/2011   6:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Only my family calls me bmauggie.
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We're your family now too!
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Posted 05/19/2011   9:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think sometimes that terms get confused and people think that a thing is closer to something just because of the term or name used.

I would call this a commemorative cancel or postmark.

Just calling it cancelled to order (CTO) would not do it justice I feel.

Many CTO stamps have just the corner cancelled and leave most of the design clear.

This card and stamp is a good example of the newer European way of some countries to make collecting everything at once the norm rather than a hard to achieve thing. Commemorative card or envelope, stamp and matching cancel. Canada is doing this kind of thing also.

On this example, because of the almost perfect centering of the cancels, you do tend to lean towards calling it CTO but the nice design of the cancel leans more towards commemorative.

In my 2005 Stanley Gibbons GB Concise they list first day cancels of each issue after a certain date, occurring at different locations or special events. Quite the collecting area it is.

I mean, gee, if someone went to all the trouble of designing up a really nice cancel to complement the stamp's design then it does seem to go together.

Trouble is, for most collectors it is not mint and not really truly postally used. Well, the Post Office did cancel it but not in the regular course of posting it in the mails (or mailing it).

A topical collector would be attracted to such a combination perhaps.
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Posted 05/19/2011   9:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with you Puzzler 100%.

How is this any different from a cancellation on a First Day
Cover. Aren't all FDC canceled to order ?
Most FDC are canceled days (weeks even) before the Day of Issue
and sometimes after which basically makes a joke out
of the term FIRST DAY COVER
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Posted 05/20/2011   4:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fincbob2451 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
smauggie, It;s my fat fingers again.
David
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My, what fat fingers you have David !
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Smauggie I will call you whatever I want !! Within the bounds of decency of course !!
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Posted 05/20/2011   5:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Dave9911: Yes, only the SCF Family calls me bmauggie. ;o) No worries. Just trying to be funny. The impulse must come hand in hand with stamp collecting.
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Posted 05/20/2011   5:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fincbob2451 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello again, I am still confused about this topic. In the scan above this stamp has the original gum. If it were put on a cover would that change it from a possible CTO to used? Is it the gum that determinewhether it is a CTO or used?
In the first two scans both are cancelled dead center like the above example. I would consider these used. If they were off cover with the original gum would they be considered a CTO? In the third scan these two stamps are cancelled in the corner. If they were off cover without the gum could they be considered used CTOs?I guess what I am asking is whether it has gum or depending on what it is attached to decide what it is?
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David





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Posted 05/20/2011   6:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A couple of these are event cancels (3 and 5). The others might be better called Favor Cancels maybe? Very nice fancy, specially designed cancels.
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now I am confused too, do I have to call him smauggie or can I call him bmauggie too. This is very unsettling, what if people start calling me jeff ?
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I vow here and now to always call him smauggie,unless I hit the wrong key again! :)
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