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Canada Stamp With Canada Postmark In An Inverted Way.rare?

 
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Posted 10/25/2011   02:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Bubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here is a canada old stamp with canada postmark in an inverted way and it is interesting for sure.I have just discovered it and it looks unusual to me because I have never seen any country name as the postmark in an inverted way like this.Is this considered as rare or common thing happened on other countries stamp?I really have no idea about it because this is the only stamp with a country postmark in my collection.Does it has some special value since the country name postmark is in an inverted way?Is this a common postmark on canada stamps?

Please let me know about it and hope to hear from you very soon.Please refer to the scans below and let me know what you think.


Anyway,I will get back to you as soon as possible after your reply and your help is always apprieiciated by me.Thank you.



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Posted 10/25/2011   08:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kirks to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's a nicely centered cancel -- sock-on-the-nose or bullseye as they say. But it's not unusual because of the orientation.

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Posted 10/25/2011   10:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike33 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stamp could have been put on the envelope upside down. Didn't that mean "love and kisses" at one point?
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Posted 10/25/2011   10:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BlackJag to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is SC # 98 (issued July 16, 1908) King Edward VII and Queen Alexandra in used fine to very fine condition with a wonderful cancellation. Valued between 75 cents and $2.75 Canadian. It may have been upside down on the envelope.
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Posted 10/25/2011   10:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bubu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kriks,are you sure thing like this happened are not unusual?Sound like probably you have seen quite a few stamps with postmark like this before.Thank you for your replied and I like your photo showing up a rare stamp Z grill if I am not wrong about it.
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Posted 10/25/2011   10:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bubu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mike33,possible that the postman cancelled it in an upside down way on this stamp?This was my first thought and your thought maybe right too,it would always remain as a mystery for sure.Thank you for your replied.
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Posted 10/25/2011   10:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bubu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Blackjag,possible that the postman cancelled it in an upside down way on this stamp just like that comment I gave on above showing there.Both of you thought the same thing and it is possible for sure.The number 01 supposed to be 10 on north position and the number 80 supposed to be 08 on the south position and this two number have changed completely on this stamp beside the country name.Thank you for your replied over here.
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Posted 10/25/2011   11:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dianne Earl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bubu

I have many copies of this stamp (100) or so and many of them have cancels that are sideways and upside down.

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Posted 10/25/2011   12:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Bubu

It is not uncommon for a stamp to have the cancellation (postmark) inverted. On many occasions the stamps were simply put on an envelope (cover) up-side-down, either by accident or by design, and the stamp on the cover went through the channels that be and were cancelled that way.

I might also add that the cancellation you have scanned is also called a "Three-Ringed ORB" postmark. These are found used from the major cities of Canada and not from smaller communities.

Hope this helps?

Chimo

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Posted 10/26/2011   01:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bubu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dianne earl,are you sure you have more than 100 canada stamps with the postmark upside down just exactly like mine on the same position?Mind to show me the scan of any of your canada stamp with the postmark upside down over here please?Your postmarks have the canada name too just like this?Hope to see your stamp on the scan over here and maybe you are right about the postmark which is very common in an upside down way but I have seen more than 100 canada stamps on ebay and none of them which the same postmark like mine which is in an inverted way for sure.Thank you for your replied very much.
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Posted 10/26/2011   01:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bubu, right-side up, up-side down, sideways, sideways inverted, for cancellations it makes little difference in value, all are VERY common. I am a postmark collector and if I had a choice between an inverted cancel and an upright cancel, I would pay MORE for the upright cancel, as would most collectors.
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Posted 10/26/2011   01:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bubu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bujutsu,you must be correct about it and I fully agree with your statement on above.I would think it is probably the postman hold the seal in an upside down way and chopped on this stamp.You know the inverted postmark really looks interesting and special to me and you know more about me about the postmark there because you are from there.Thank you for your replied very much and the information that you have provided is very helpful to me.
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Posted 10/26/2011   01:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bubu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Beesee,I dont think so and I believe there are many collectors who like inverted posrtmark,overprint and also perfin just like me because it really looks special and unusual to be honest.Beside that,some collectors would pay more for any inverted item of what I have mentioned just now to the seller and keep it for a very long period.Anyway,it is all depend on the people thinking and like for sure.Thank you for your replied very much.
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Posted 10/26/2011   01:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bubu, I do NOT agree. For perfins and overprints, maybe, but NOT postmarks. Like I said, I collect postmarks (read my signature) and I buy from around the world. Right-side up postmarks are MUCH more desirable. I have been collecting for forty years. Your stamps is a beautiful SON cancel, but I would pay twice as much for it right side up.
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Posted 11/17/2014   2:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,

Found this thread while searching on Google for different names for an ORB postmark, a side interest of mine.

The orientation or position of a postmark from a postal hammer at the time of that stamp (1908) is as the envelope or cover is being passed through a major busy Post Office and so the envelopes were usually processed by hand upside down so the envelope and hand writing on the envelope would not be smudged or handled unduly in any way.

Most stamps pssing through larger Post Offices were thus cancelled or postmarked upside down or on an angle if the envelope was vertical to the hammer-holder, the writing away from busy hands.

Any postmark could be found upright especially as stamp collecting was regarded with much favour at the time and the King and Queen regarded with more passion than now, so more likeely to be wanted upright by arduous collectors.

On cover, most, or at least a lot, of postmarks are upside down or on an angle.

The value is thus more likely to be regarded as higher when looking better or from an acsetic point of view, but, when on cover, I myself enjoy an upside down cancel because I know it is probably correctly upright from a postal employee's point of view.


As Bee Seementioned, a postmark is not a watermark, overprint or perfin, and is not valued more when upside down.

It is interesting to some when the date plug portion of the postmark is upside down perhaps.
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