Germany Bayern Stamp ( Imperf ??? Trumpets ? 20-PF ) Help ID

Hello ! please help me to Identify this STAMP.

ITS BAYERN:

* SQUARE CUT ?
* WHY THEY HAVE A TRANSCRIPTION BEHIND ?
* THEY ARE THICK PAPER old than 1800-1900.
* 20PF

I found some SIMILARS at Internet they ask for $999.99 moreless, here are the Links.
- Bavaria 48c, Used, Imperforated, WM 95v, Michel 47, WM 3 (by048a-1, 10-brot http://filatelia.delcampe.net/page/...guage,S.html

- BAYERN 20 PFENNIG,ULTRAMARIN, Mi#50U,USSED,RRR,SEE SCAN
http://filatelia.delcampe.net/page/...guage,S.html

THE ONES I HAVE ARE THE SAME ? I FOUND THEM IN A OLD ENVELOPE THAT HAVE MORE THAN 200 years old.

I CANNOT FIND IT in any Catalog but I have heard about the Michel Catalog BUT I DO NOT HAVE ONE (I found these in a very large collection from my EUROPEAN Grandfather). I also have more to show if any interested. (Just leave me a MSG).

THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH !!

Those aren't stamps, they're cutouts from postal stationery. Worth minimal value.

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THE STAMPS I HAVE HERE:

QUESTIONS ?.
- How much this Set can Value each one ?.
- Why they have letters in the BACK ?.
- How I can look for info at Internet about cutouts from postal stationery ?

Those are cutouts from postal money orders. They're worth minimal value. I don't know of anywhere on the Internet that you can get more info. You would need a Michel Ganzsachen Katalog.

Thank you very much
If anyone knows where I can sell them let me know please

Hello kinetic2012, welcome!

You have 'cut squares' from post cards or postal cards. The printing on the backs is something that was printed on the postal cards to explain their use to a customer.

Minimal value means 20 cents or 25 cents each according to a catalogue, which is the price a dealer would want to use to sell one of them to you.

For you to sell them on Delcampe for example make sure you state the postmark place name as this would be of interest to some of the collectors.

If someone has similar stamps to these 'cut squares' then the stamps will be on regular thin stamp paper, not cardbaord from a post card, and thus have a watermark pressed into their paper. Yours will not have a watermark as they are not postage stamps as listed in the catalogues but pieces of postal stationery, not even the full post card. Still worth something to the correct collector, but probably not as much as a real stamp.

Stamp albums used to have spaces marked out for putting examples of these on the spaces so collectors at the time would cut them out and collect them like this. But now, when more is known about them perhaps, the albums do not usually have spaces set aside to collect these. You must collect the whole post card to have it priced in a catalogue.

Michel is the German language catalogue made in Germany that has more information about more varieties of German area stamps and other items such as this. Other catalogues will perhaps have some info but not to the detail that Michel has for Germany and German States like Bavaria (English) / Bayern (German).

Most other general info catalogues like Scott in the uSA and Stanley Gibbons in Great Britain will have info on the stamps but not on the postal stationery or post cards.

Part of collecting is the history and appreciating who and where the stamps came from, not always necessarily the money value of them.

Have fun!

Fair warning if you try to sell them -- they're not worth the cost of postage.

Thank you for the tip ;), Are you a collector or dealer?

I have more around that I am about organize and upload more pictures I have some GERMAN, USA, PERU Old and (German Mint) Im looking to Collectors that will like to Buy.

As PostmasterGS says, they are not worth a lot of money, but the cancellations (cancels) (postmarks) are interesting to a history buff. probably many were made and used so even though they are old, because there were so many made, the rarity factor is not there anymore.

The 'trumpets' as you called them are horns or more specifically posthorns. This symbol is used by a lot of Post Offices in Europe.

The posthorn was carried and blown by a post rider when he arrived on his horse in a town to announce his arrival. The post is here! (Mail call!) So then you would go and get your mails from him or the Post Office. We still use the words post and mails today even though we do not usually usee horses or have riders carry the mails from town to town.

Thank you very much for all your information and your time !!

You are welcome, from both of us!


I am both sometimes. I buy too many stamps and have to sell some, or I see some at a good price and think I can buy them and then sell them again at a higher price so I will have money to buy more stamps for my own collection.

For you to sell on Stamp Community you must have 50 posts and 14 days in. Please read teh rules and guidelines, button top right.

Delcampe is a worldwide selling auction site, a competitor to ebay. ebay is another.

There are Portuguese or Spanish web sites that are auction sites as well, if that is easier for you, although your English is good.

I think selling is fun, so you can tell by that statement that I am not a dealer, who is working at selling all the time.

For other stamps from different countries, please start a new topic for each country in the appropriate forum heading. That way more people will see the title of your post and people that know will help you when they can.

Hint: do not use capitals so much. It is considered yelling on the internet. You do not need to yell. Your words have strong meaning by themselves.